I have driven the future and it is Tesla

[mrsleeve]

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I was aware of the 1st purposed law, and yes I quickly scanned though your 1st link, But MISSED the word NO, gps logger

My apologies disregard that slippery slope argument

[rwh11385]

^

I was aware of the 1st purposed law, and yes I quickly scanned though your 1st link, But MISSED the word NO, gps logger

My apologies disregard that slippery slope argument

No problem. I understand the concern of privacy and big brother, particularly yours. Apparently they didn't expect it.

[From the second link]






Remember, it's the government - they don't always think the way citizens would and aren't always technology-minded, so ideas don't directly mean good implementation, but they are at least headed towards public-private partnerships. OnStar already knows how much you have driven and could act as a liaison to only permit the government from knowing your annual ODO amount, for example. Or progressive doing similar.

But the self-reporting option obviously gives the most privacy, although some room for cheating. Still, it would be fraud and probably catch up if they ever went to sell the car, etc.

There's plenty of ways to distribute costs of public roads to drivers though, and solely based on fuel and the shot-down idea of GPS mandates are only two of them. I agree it is an issue for the future, but one I think can be resolved and shouldn't be a roadblock to long-term EV integration.

[e30vert]

Funny this topic was being discussed at this time. I just (today) spoke with a VP of Oracle that recently purchased the Tesla S (in white). We spoke about it briefly while he showed me the interior and the 2 trunks. One in the front and one in the rear.
Then I asked him about charging times and so forth. He informed me that he was going to have to have a 220 Volt outlet installed in his garage to charge the car as he plug it into a standard 110 Volt outlet and let it charge OVERNIGHT. It charged ten percent of its capacity. When he asked the dealership if a 220 Volt outlet would allow a full charge they said yes it will.

All night long for 10 percent ? WOW! As charging stations are developed for pubilc use I am sure they will be 220 Volt or better powered , but for the average consumer they will need a 220 V outlet to make this feasable.

[herbivor]

nobody is set on gas powered or against technology
Tesla is the only viable electric car IMHO today. they have style and performance.
But who is going to spend $60k for a car you cannot drive across the country on your own route, or $60k for an commuter car.
they are not, today, a viable alternative for the vast majority of people over their e30.

Well, I'm strongly considering one. Working on the budget tonight to see if if it's worth it and going to talk to a guy I know who works there for more insight. The guy that test drove one before me and handed me the key said it was the most amazing car he ever drove and was in the showroom putting down his deposit when we finished the test drive. The most expensive performance model is sold out. Cant get one if you wanted too.

[mrsleeve]

Heeter: Good points, while self reporting I dont see as a viable option. Look at the sales taxes, your supposed to report and settle up at the end of the year for your mail orders, NO ONE DOES. Look at those running a Bio diesel or WVO, set up on the old diesels, you can face sever fines for not keeping track of and paying road use taxes for running alternative fuels that are not taxed. Still very few keep a log and pay them.

The reporting of OD mileage is ok, and would work for your federal taxes but how would that work for you state rates when you are traveling, or would you just pay at each charging station and keep it like we do currently. Rather than pay quarterly or something.


For the record I cut the power to the Onstar module in my personal truck, Its the older gen 1 version thats not 100% integrated into the truck. I am not paranoid I just want to retain my ability to go off the grid as far as I can if I ever so chose to

[rwh11385]

There's a lot of options - and something that is going to need to be figured out. It's chiefly an EV concern now but WVO as you said, or Biogas too. A lot of dairy and swine farmers could run off manure anaerobic digester gas compressed - and they'd be cruising around too without paying road use tax. And if we all have super efficient cars and keep driving the same amount, the money to repair and maintain roadways won't keep up.



Distributing funds might not be as easy without road use tax being defined solely as fuel (which people would buy driving through a state), but we have a growing network of traffic sensors that could help allocate federal money to most traveled highways. And a good portion of the driving within a state would still be the state's registered drivers... and any discrepancies could be rationalized later.

For the record I cut the power to the Onstar module in my personal truck, Its the older gen 1 version thats not 100% integrated into the truck. I am not paranoid I just want to retain my ability to go off the grid as far as I can if I ever so chose to

lol. Not surprising but oh well.

Most EVs have nav to find charging stations and the rise of Infotainment systems like Sync can provide third-party data support without needing first-hand government oversight of vehicles. Services like Onstar can help GM track the miles powered by gas and electric of the Volt. So most normal people could be served by modern systems to connect their traveling with paying to keep up roads.

[gwb72tii]

Well, I'm strongly considering one. Working on the budget tonight to see if if it's worth it and going to talk to a guy I know who works there for more insight. The guy that test drove one before me and handed me the key said it was the most amazing car he ever drove and was in the showroom putting down his deposit when we finished the test drive. The most expensive performance model is sold out. Cant get one if you wanted too.

Next year we're replacing my wife's X3, and we'll go drive the Tesla as well.
It will not be a longer-trip vehicle for us,whatever we buy, but she drives under 50 miles an day on average, as do I. Longer range trips when we're on holiday will be gas powered for the foreseeable future. We always travel the less traveled routes, both here and overseas, so refueling as needed without constraints is a must.

[gwb72tii]

I am not paranoid I just want to retain my ability to go off the grid as far as I can if I ever so chose to

there are dirt roads in Montana you just don't drive down unless you have an invite

[CorvallisBMW]

Range should not be a hindrance towards forward progression of the technology, and for good reason:

100 years ago when the gasoline-powered automobile was in it's infancy, do you think you could drive cross-country on any route you wanted to? Of course not. At that time the technology was in it's infancy and the infrastructure had not yet been fully developed. Electric, hydrogen and other AFVs are no different than gas was a century ago, but to argue they are 'useless' or 'not worth it' simply because the technology is young is to argue against all forms of progress, ever.

[agent]

Let me say up front that I don't have a dog in this fight. However what I found interesting is that neither the two year nor the long term supercharger network plan (larger images here and here) appear to show a facility in or near Nashville. Curious, since we have three interstates running through here (I-24, I-40 and I-65).

[herbivor]

^That's because TN offers no state incentives for EV technology and is not a market where EVs would sell. You're like North Carolina's retarded cousin, South Carolina;)

BTW, My E30 is going on the market when I can find time to post it.

[CorvallisBMW]

Volvo just announced a 22kW charger that will fully charge an EV from 0% to 100% in 90 minutes:

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/11/05/new-volvo-22-kw-fast-charger-drops-recharge-time-to-90-minutes/

Only problem is it requires 400V 3-phase, which is pretty much undoable in the US outside of commercial facilities :/

[agent]

^That's because TN offers no state incentives for EV technology and is not a market where EVs would sell.

You're aware that Nissan's corporate headquarters are right here in Franklin, yes? Quite a number of Leafs driving around these parts. Also:

Are there any incentives available to help with the cost of electric vehicles and charging equipment?

Yes! If you purchase a Nissan Leaf and are eligible for The EV Project, ECOtality will provide free Level 2 charging equipment for your home. Also, the State of Tennessee recently announced a $2,500 rebate for the first 1,000 Nissan Leafs sold. Federal incentives include up to a $7,500 tax credit for purchasing an electric vehicle and a charging equipment tax credit of 50 percent (up to $2,000 for residential, $50,000 for businesses).
http://www.mtemc.com/faq.cfm/name/48#faq113

Tennessee is one of six states and the District of Columbia selected to participate in the EV project, which is funded through a $100 million grant from the U.S. Department of Energy. The EV project is the largest deployment of electric vehicles and charging infrastructure in U.S. history.
http://news.tn.gov/node/5911

[herbivor]

^touche. Uninformed jab on my end. Joking of course but I didn't think TN had any EV incentives.

[164353]

Fixed that for you. The chassis was made my lotus and is basically an Elise.

You're probably thinking of their Roadster, which was based on an Elise.