Speeding ticket: Cops allowed to park on shoulder facing opposite direction on hwy?

[mrsleeve]

Did not read thread


COPs can do most anything they want....................................... Even if they are not supposed too so long as they are making money for the municipality

[F34R]

Hey, F34R, you did a better job at making a joke like that over the internet...Although, I still don't agree with perpetuating jokes and stereotypes like that. :)

I agree with you about those sexist jokes, Bitches hate them.

[travish325]

I've noticed the original post that I read has changed a bit since the first time I read it.

I'll go to a different thread if you promise to shave your pits.

Deal?

[dougie30]

Should a kicked the shit out of him

[Earendil]

Accidents and mistakes do happen, and you get to pay for them.

And at what point is paying for it no longer just? I think we'd agree that a million dollars for 1mph over is not just, but $1 for 30mph over is just silly. If we can agree on that, then at some point we reach a "just" punishment for the crime.

Out of curiosity, do you think that a person who accidentally causes the death of another person should be punished the same as a person who meticulously plans and executes a persons death? The US courts find their to be a difference, I'm curious if you do. The end result is the same, only the intent changes.

This is actually a philosophical difference that a lot of people don't agree upon. There are two things that you can call morally wrong, "intent" and "Result". One common saying that illustrates this is "The Ends justify the Means".

We tend to apply this different to different crimes. We'll say that if I accidentally cause the death of someone else, that while the end result is terrible, the intent was not to kill, so I am not morally wrong. On the other hand we'll say that if I intend to kill someone and utterly fail, that I am still morally in the wrong and should be punished (conspiracy to commit murder).

You want a punishment for speeding that will cause people to be "more careful". But at some point, you have enough drivers on the road that mistakes are just GOING to happen. Now what we have is a random punishment act on a certain percentage of the population.

FYI: Cops are neither trained nor should they be to contemplate the above. Judge's however are, and that's why we have them.

[JBird]

I do have a good friend who is a lawyer, but I'm not sure she knows about the traffic stuff. I'll ask her.

even though you missed out when you got pulled over, you can still try this trick in court.
first be loud and agressive.
tell the cop, and the judge that you pay their salary.
then tell them you will sue.
they will drop the whole thing

hahaha I am not trying to get out of the whole thing though..

Hey, F34R, you did a better job at making a joke like that over the internet...Although, I still don't agree with perpetuating jokes and stereotypes like that. :)

[WhyNot]

even though you missed out when you got pulled over, you can still try this trick in court.
first be loud and agressive.
tell the cop, and the judge that you pay their salary.
then tell them you will sue.
they will drop the whole thing

[CorvallisBMW]

I'm not 100% on this, but I believe a police officer on the side of the road must, at the very least, have his parking lights on. Otherwise it's a pretty serious safety issue. Might want to explore that possibility if you have a lawyer/friend in the law biz

[InuFaye]

Accidents and mistakes do happen, and you get to pay for them.

[Earendil]

You don't HAVE to speed. If you can't afford a ticket, drive the speed limit. This is an instance where you bring the fines, etc upon yourself. It doesn't become a burden until you decide it's worth the risk to get where you're going 5 seconds sooner.

You've got to pay to play. If you want to waste money on fines/fees/court costs/DMV bullshit, speed.

I for one do not like having anything to do with the justice system/government, therefore I don't speed.

Do accidents and mistakes never happen to you? Have you ever been driving a normal route, and suddenly realized the speed limit sign has changed values, and you wonder when that happened? Do you pay all income and sales taxes on all income and financial transactions?

There is a certain "pay to play", and in that regard sure, I guess you can think of the system as a "Step right up, pay $300 to go however fast you want on the freeway!". But I personally don't that is a good way to think about laws, or justice. A crime should have a punishment, and that punishment should fit the crime.

Financial punishments are difficult because the level of punishment is dependent on the individual. This is why we get upset when we see that a company like Apple has been fined 10,000 dollars for breaking the law. We all instinctively realize that the punishment did not fit the crime. If you or I broke the same law and were fined the same thing (depending on the law broken) we might consider it just.

[F34R]

How did you get a ticket in the kitchen? Oh, wait...you left your place. jk

Your idea of going that fast 75ish in a 55 is asking for a ticket. Best I go is 7mph over at anytime on known infected areas.

They are the traffic enforcers, I have seen them set up in some weird ways. Best one I have seen so far a Policeman is standing on an over head bridge is tagging speeders. Then a cruiser is waiting on the shoulder around the bend. Had three cruisers lined up nailing people all weekend.

So yes, I have seen them sit where ever they please and pull over people breaking the law. Like said before; pay the ticket and slow down.

[slammin.e28]

Yep, not too bad. FYI My court fee was $100. Even if a judge cuts the ticket in half (which they sometimes will) you're probably not saving enough to make it worth your while.

You want one more thing to toss into the discussion? Paying money is not meant as a pay to compensate someone for the crime, right? It's not like you did damage, and now you need to pay for the damages. No, paying for a crime using money is meant as a deterrent, simple as that. So why then do millionaires and minimum wage earners get fined the same amount? For one, it's a huge financial burden, for the other, they're likely losing more money in time being pulled over than in the cost of the ticket. If taking money from someone is supposed to be punishment, it should be a percentage of income.

There, chew on that! :)

(this is all for the sake of argument. Justice systems have to draw a line between serving some good, being just, but also not being a burden. Having 10 million written laws might be more fair, but it's also more burdensome for the system and the individual. That's why we have Judge's in the first place, not just cops)

You don't HAVE to speed. If you can't afford a ticket, drive the speed limit. This is an instance where you bring the fines, etc upon yourself. It doesn't become a burden until you decide it's worth the risk to get where you're going 5 seconds sooner.

You've got to pay to play. If you want to waste money on fines/fees/court costs/DMV bullshit, speed.

I for one do not like having anything to do with the justice system/government, therefore I don't speed.

[Earendil]

Fine is $260. Not too bad, but fun to discuss.

Yep, not too bad. FYI My court fee was $100. Even if a judge cuts the ticket in half (which they sometimes will) you're probably not saving enough to make it worth your while.

You want one more thing to toss into the discussion? Paying money is not meant as a pay to compensate someone for the crime, right? It's not like you did damage, and now you need to pay for the damages. No, paying for a crime using money is meant as a deterrent, simple as that. So why then do millionaires and minimum wage earners get fined the same amount? For one, it's a huge financial burden, for the other, they're likely losing more money in time being pulled over than in the cost of the ticket. If taking money from someone is supposed to be punishment, it should be a percentage of income.

There, chew on that! :)

(this is all for the sake of argument. Justice systems have to draw a line between serving some good, being just, but also not being a burden. Having 10 million written laws might be more fair, but it's also more burdensome for the system and the individual. That's why we have Judge's in the first place, not just cops)

[JBird]

Fine is $260. Not too bad, but fun to discuss.

[Earendil]

You have to have decent looking tits or it doesnt work.

You disobeyed the law and got caught. I'm so tired of seeing these threads. Cops can do what ever they want. Why? Becuase they are cops duh! They are the authority, They can sit how ever they want in the road, ask you questions on just probable cause and a lot more, and you trying to fight and complain about how its not fair won't change a thing. Who is a court gonna believe? You or a cop?


drive the speed limit and obey the rules
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Actually, see my post earlier up on a similar story, but with a few key differences. Cops record the act, they do not dictate punishment. We are discussing (in part) the punishment for this act, not whether the act was committed. The OP hasn't said, but what if she was fined $5000 dollars for this act, would we find this fair? Question of a law being broken is not in dispute here, only the severity of the punishment compared to the crime and similar crimes. Our diverse justice system recognizes levels of punishment for different crimes. We (in the US) do not live in a black and white completely free or life in prison system. Even things like causing the death of another human being have many factors taken into account, because the law says it's wrong, and the justice system dictates the punishment.

If the fine was $5000 dollars, I'd say OP should take her day in court. If the fine is $50 I'd say she'd get laughed out of court if she showed up.

speed
/spēd/
Noun
Rapidity of movement or action: "excessive speed"; "the speed of events".

limit
/ˈlimit/
Noun
A point or level beyond which something does not or may not extend or pass.
Verb
Set or serve as a limit to: "try to limit the amount you drink".

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just
/jəst/
Adjective
Based on or behaving according to what is morally right and fair: "a just society.

pun·ish·ment
/ˈpəniSHmənt/
Noun
The infliction or imposition of a penalty as retribution for an offense.
The penalty inflicted.


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