Excellent article

[Onizukachan]

Instead, it a plea for people to open their eyes and realize that there is no right or wrong way to modify a car. If you truly believe there is, your opinions are misguided and franly, you're wrong. It's unarguable. I just don't understand the negative "you're wrong" mentality. Don't like stance? Cool by me. But acting like you're better than someone just because you choose to modify your car a different way is legitimately silly. (You/your are not pointed at you. I'm using it as a general subject)

first statement: completely wrong.
There is absolutely a wrong way to modify a car. There are dozens of wrong ways. There may be several right ways.

Stance, not a fan off poorly fitting wheels, stretched tires, fenders damaged almost irreperably, or at least to the point that the car is no longer of any value to anyone who isn't a stanceypants.
I enjoy some of the cars on stanceworks, those with properly fit wheels, etc even of overly lowered. Hey I'm a former mini trucker. The mexipoke and stretched tires are not new, they just have been considered passé for 25 years.
Probably because they were a result of lack of options and funds in those days.
To intentionally replicate poor quality while spending hundreds or thousands to do so... Is frankly asinine.
But you have your ideas and I have mine. I will say nice car to those I like, and try my damnedest to do like momma said and say nothing to the rest. I enjoy reading some of the build threads on 2002s w108s and w114/115s and the occasional aw11, e9 e21 or e30 or e34. Until it gets to mexipoke status, which many thank goodness do not.
But when stanceypants in the left lane can't do the speed limit because he or she is too low and their tires are so cambered they look like they are gonna pop, then stanceypants and the rest of the stancers (vdubbers as well) are causing problems for other more rational and safety conscious enthusiasts. And yes, this stanceypants was proudly sporting a huge stance works banner.
That's a pretty shit attitude to throw everyone else under the bus so you can wreck things, and then want to be hugged and told "we accept your stupidity and support you".

[lolcantturn]

this thread sucks

[GillesBigCowboy]

Racecar stance is the most beautiful.
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Stock-ish stance is most beautiful for family transport.

[lambo]

Until the guy behind you slams your rear end

BOOM

Safety concern.

Even moderately lowered cars and track cars are spec'd with some kind of suspension give for normal road use. I'm assuming that's why you run an "i" lip versus an iS lip, no?

Ok, now you're talking retarded low cars. My point from the very, very beginning is that you guys place this stereotype of people driving cars that are scraping on smooth surfaces on all of StanceWorks when in reality that is not true. My car is perfectly streetable. I could drive it with an iS lip. I don't because I don't own one.

[JinormusJ]

Excellent article

Until the guy behind you slams your rear end

BOOM

Safety concern.
Even moderately lowered cars and track cars are spec'd with some kind of suspension give for normal road use. I'm assuming that's why you run an "i" lip versus an iS lip, no?

[lambo]

Last time I checked, every single other road car was able to transverse mountainous speed-bumps and the mightiest of pebbles with ease?

You're changing the topic, now. What we're talking about is safety. Traversing speedbumps is not a safety concern.

[JinormusJ]

Excellent article

Last time I checked, every single other road car was able to transverse mountainous speed-bumps and the mightiest of pebbles with ease?

[lambo]

This is my main beef with the stance-"scene". Had it not been for the scene, there would be a lot less morons on the road today. Period.

That was exactly my point... These "scene" stance cars do not come equipped with the same bracing and safety features as a track car and are potentially more dangerous than a track car will ever be. Like I said before, catastrophic failure in a track car: they come prepared and are more than capable of protecting the occupants. Catastrophic failure in a street car; you better pray nothing bad happens.

Function > Form

Last time I checked every single other road car doesn't come with those safety features either...

[JinormusJ]

Only if the owner is a moron (yes, the "stance" community has many more morons than the other communities) and does it the wrong way. But to put that notion of "doing stupid shit to look cool" on the whole of StanceWorks is incorrect in the most basic, stereotypical sense.

This is my main beef with the stance-"scene". Had it not been for the scene, there would be a lot less morons on the road today. Period.

That's the dumbest logic I think I have ever heard... Based on that logic, then why do race cars bother with helmets, HANS systems, full cages, etc.? I mean, you're saying that the only person being put at risk with those fenders (even though I don't believe they are a safety risk in the least bit) is yourself...

That was exactly my point... These "scene" stance cars do not come equipped with the same bracing and safety features as a track car and are potentially more dangerous than a track car will ever be. Like I said before, catastrophic failure in a track car: they come prepared and are more than capable of protecting the occupants. Catastrophic failure in a street car; you better pray nothing bad happens.

Function > Form

[lambo]

Of course not everyone is like that. That's obvious. That's why there is indeed a right and wrong way to do things. However, let's face it...there's a vast majority of kids out there doing stupid shit to look cool. Let me reiterate that I like the look of a nicely "stanced" car but not to the degree that huge compromises are made for the sake of aesthetics. This particular "fad" just happens to be a potentially dangerous one. As an example, there are a few tires being sold on CL with 80-90% tread left for ridiculously cheap. Wanna know why? because "they just have slight cracks/wear on the sidewalls, no big deal." You have to ask yourself, if it's no big deal then why did they replace them? What kind of contact patch do you have with a 195-215 tire with so much camber that only the inner edge of the thread and sidewalls are worn/cracking?

Only if the owner is a moron (yes, the "stance" community has many more morons than the other communities) and does it the wrong way. But to put that notion of "doing stupid shit to look cool" on the whole of StanceWorks is incorrect in the most basic, stereotypical sense.

[reelizmpro]

Of course not everyone is like that. That's obvious. That's why there is indeed a right and wrong way to do things. However, let's face it...there's a vast majority of kids out there doing stupid shit to look cool. Let me reiterate that I like the look of a nicely "stanced" car but not to the degree that huge compromises are made for the sake of aesthetics. This particular "fad" just happens to be a potentially dangerous one. As an example, there are a few tires being sold on CL with 80-90% tread left for ridiculously cheap. Wanna know why? because "they just have slight cracks/wear on the sidewalls, no big deal." You have to ask yourself, if it's no big deal then why did they replace them? What kind of contact patch do you have with a 195-215 tire with so much camber that only the inner edge of the thread and sidewalls are worn/cracking?

[noahb]

I totally understand that not everyone is like that. That doesn't change the fact that it is fun to laugh at those silly bastards.

[lambo]

http://www.motoiq.com/MagazineArticl...ella-Fail.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=O1DtfgzlyUQ

Yeah, this shit is stupid and unsafe. BUT, NOT EVERYONE IS LIKE THAT. That's what you people don't seem to understand.

[lambo]

That's a track car
Function > Form

It's meant to be driven on a track, so if something breaks or there is catastrophic failure, no one will be injured, or the is an incredibly diminished chance of anyone being caught in crossfire.

On a street car though? If there is catastrophic failure, get ready to pay someone's repair or medical bill

That's the dumbest logic I think I have ever heard... Based on that logic, then why do race cars bother with helmets, HANS systems, full cages, etc.? I mean, you're saying that the only person being put at risk with those fenders (even though I don't believe they are a safety risk in the least bit) is yourself...

Hammered to shit fenders are ugly, yes. I agree with that. But if the tires clear and don't rub then they aren't a safety risk, correct?

[M3TROY]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=O1DtfgzlyUQ

for the love of god whos idea was it to go that rout in the first place? good thing the first guy didnt jump off a bridge it would have been a mass suicide!