E30 prices...Only going to keep going up

[JinormusJ]

Wow..

This non-argument is still going on? Smooth; stop being so pretentious. No one is saying you lowered the value of your car by putting M-Tech II bumpers on it; what everyone is saying is, although the price of your car rose (because of OEM+ modifications), it still won't be worth as much as a real deal retail-tag M-tech II Convertible. An M3 or Alpina clone won't net you the same value as the real deal M3 or Alpina.

What everyone is saying is that if you take an e30 and put a Pepboys body kit all over it; no amount of money invested will make it worth more than a stock e30 of the same year/style. OEM+ is what adds dollar value.

Taking a 40's Chevy truck and ripping out the old engine to put an LS1 in there is the same argument; at one level it's technically "OEM+", but e30s and old 40's trucks are not even on same level. An unmodified m42 318iS or m20 325iS will go for more than a swapped one in the collectors market; they were exclusive, "rarer", "motor-sport bred" models that people have an affinity to, regardless of how little the sport package actually added. I know more people who are willing to shell out the same money for a stock, restored m20 325iS than I know who would buy the same exact 325iS will an s52. However, I also know people who have exclusively looked only for swapped cars; generally the average-joe who wants a cool, fast, S-package e30 and cares little for its collectors value. There are more factors affecting a car's value than just the mods.

Frankly I think we're all being trolled

[JasonC]

nah, but that's a nice tactic you and your mod are trying to pull off to shut down conversation.

my examples were the same thing being done in this thread. we already established M3's, iS', mtech's, bauers, iX' models are going to fetch more unmolested so that's not what this thread is about. this thread is about e30's in general. and then the person I was responding to, and the one you quoted and agree with, stated that *ANY* 60's muscle car is going to fetch more. Now you're changing the argument. You may not think they are but Motor Trend and any club that categorizes muscle cars *does* consider base models of novas, darts, and cutties "muscle cars." That's the deal. I specifically stated it depends on the model and the person trying to argue that point said that for the record *ANY* model would. But no, I'm the one arguing just to argue even though you all piled on and when shown examples where you're wrong just change what you were saying.

If I wanted to shut down the conversation I would of just locked the thread...

Also if you was to read what I agreed with about the stock cars I also added in a bit about the modified ones too. And I'm sorry, if motor trend or others are calling base classic cars muscle cars. Cause 69 Dart 270 slantsix as the same class as a 69 Dart GTS 383, that's like saying a 87 325es is in the same class as a 87 M3. Then someone needs their head examined.

[nando]

wasn't that much of a waste of time, I simply put in bellingham, wa. went to the cars/truck section and there were a bunch of late 80's, early 90's asian imports on the first, second, and third pages. was just double checking to see if your area of the country was bizarrely different from the rest of the country but it wasn't so your posts were confusing to say the least. nice to see you keeping forum decorum at a high level however :)

I never said they didn't exist. wow. I said nobody cares that they exist.

yeah, that really was a waste of your time.

also, take a guess as to why people are buying those things - cheap transportation. since I live here, I can tell you the only people who drive cars like that are drug dealers and high school kids who can't afford a newer car. nobody sees a 1987 Nissan Maxima and goes, wow, what a cool car! Around here the most popular modded vehicle is a 7000lb turbo diesel truck with a lift kit, yet I routinely get compliments, thumbs up, and offers to buy from people who don't even know what an E30 is. somehow I don't think that's ever happened to somebody driving a Camry, of any year..

[smooth]

shift linkage is pissing me off lol
I'll leave the thread ;)

[ForcedFirebird]

Smooth isn't being so smooth

[smooth]

I have no idea what you are blathering about. did you actually waste your time looking up Japanese cars on craigslist for my area?

the point is people like E30s. Nobody cares about base model econoboxes from 25 years ago. just like old muscle cars - only a few are actually worth anything, most of them made at the time are long gone because nobody cared about them.

I was just iterating that I said literally nothing about modifying cars, and you accused me of arguing with you about that.

wasn't that much of a waste of time, I simply put in bellingham, wa. went to the cars/truck section and there were a bunch of late 80's, early 90's asian imports on the first, second, and third pages. was just double checking to see if your area of the country was bizarrely different from the rest of the country but it wasn't so your posts were confusing to say the least. nice to see you keeping forum decorum at a high level however :)

[ForcedFirebird]

the point is people like E30s.

/thread

[nando]

nah, just surprised that you actually tried to piss all over my post about how there are plenty of 20 year old hondas and toyotas for sale that are in good running order when you have more than a dozen of them in your local craigslist section right now

most people agree with me that to everyone other than enthusiasts we're just driving old cars with high maintenance costs

never in a million years would I think that was a contentious issue so it was surprising that you even tried to argue about that. but it's herd mentality around here so I really shouldn't have been

I have no idea what you are blathering about. did you actually waste your time looking up Japanese cars on craigslist for my area?

the point is people like E30s. Nobody cares about base model econoboxes from 25 years ago. just like old muscle cars - only a few are actually worth anything, most of them made at the time are long gone because nobody cared about them.

I was just iterating that I said literally nothing about modifying cars, and you accused me of arguing with you about that.

[smooth]

I'm thinking you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to hear yourself talk.

nah, but that's a nice tactic you and your mod are trying to pull off to shut down conversation.

my examples were the same thing being done in this thread. we already established M3's, iS', mtech's, bauers, iX' models are going to fetch more unmolested so that's not what this thread is about. this thread is about e30's in general. and then the person I was responding to, and the one you quoted and agree with, stated that *ANY* 60's muscle car is going to fetch more. Now you're changing the argument. You may not think they are but Motor Trend and any club that categorizes muscle cars *does* consider base models of novas, darts, and cutties "muscle cars." That's the deal. I specifically stated it depends on the model and the person trying to argue that point said that for the record *ANY* model would. But no, I'm the one arguing just to argue even though you all piled on and when shown examples where you're wrong just change what you were saying.

[JasonC]

So you're basically saying what I wrote originally that these guys are arguing against: that it depends on the car and how it was done. Instead they keep arguing that a bone stock car will *always* be worth more than a modded one. And then for whatever reason you quoted that statement and said you completely agreed. But it's horseshit...no one wants a bone stock nova or dart with saggy ass suspension and a single barrel carb.


Just because barn find mustangs sell for ridiculous amounts of money doesn't mean your grandmas stock oldsmobile with 300000 thousand miles on it is going to fetch 40,000 dollars. So saying any 60's muscle car will always fetch the highest amount is wrong.


After we finished up our 45 Chevy and rolled it the shop the buyer didn't ask where the 6volt system was. He also didn't ask for or care about the 700 pound hydraulic knuckle front end. Modern front end with power steering and 12v system and a motor with an oil pump instead of splashing it around means he can drive the shit out of it with his family.

Now if you have something that is rare, like a ix or a Bauer or an mtech or m3 then yes you should keep it as stock as possible. The IS is going to fetch more than an I but again it's not going to matter if you have aftermarket springs on it instead of 200000 mile suspension just because "it's stock"



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Your arguing about different cars that appeal to different people. Cars from the 40's. People usually don't leave them alone and rarely keep them stock. Muscle cars, a Nova or Dart with a single barrel carb isn't a muscle car lol. That's a base model and don't fetch as much as their hi-po counterparts. Why, because not many people care about a base model car unless its rare of some sort. Now if they where a Nova SS or a Dart GTS. Then yes they will bring more money stock then if someone modified it. Unless there was some history behind the car. Would Big Willie Robisons 69 Daytona be worth more restored to stock or left modified? I'd lean toward modified due to the history behind the car. I'm not to for sure where you are getting a barn find mustang that may bring in the money and then say people are thinking that their grandmothers Olds will do the same? I'm thinking you're just pulling stuff out of your ass to hear yourself talk.

[smooth]

I think you are arguing for the sake of it..

nah, just surprised that you actually tried to piss all over my post about how there are plenty of 20 year old hondas and toyotas for sale that are in good running order when you have more than a dozen of them in your local craigslist section right now

most people agree with me that to everyone other than enthusiasts we're just driving old cars with high maintenance costs

never in a million years would I think that was a contentious issue so it was surprising that you even tried to argue about that. but it's herd mentality around here so I really shouldn't have been

[ForcedFirebird]

You might want to go back and read my posts because i never said anything about mods at all. I think you are arguing for the sake of it..

Maybe angry about the sig pics. Who knows.

[nando]

When I say that tasteful mods don't lower the value of one's car and you respond with three other people that bone stock is always going to fetch a higher price then you're right, you're not "implying" anything...you're flat out stating it as fact.

You might want to go back and read my posts because i never said anything about mods at all. I think you are arguing for the sake of it..

[smooth]

So you're basically saying what I wrote originally that these guys are arguing against: that it depends on the car and how it was done. Instead they keep arguing that a bone stock car will *always* be worth more than a modded one. And then for whatever reason you quoted that statement and said you completely agreed. But it's horseshit...no one wants a bone stock nova or dart with saggy ass suspension and a single barrel carb.


Just because barn find mustangs sell for ridiculous amounts of money doesn't mean your grandmas stock oldsmobile with 300000 thousand miles on it is going to fetch 40,000 dollars. So saying any 60's muscle car will always fetch the highest amount is wrong.


After we finished up our 45 Chevy and rolled it the shop the buyer didn't ask where the 6volt system was. He also didn't ask for or care about the 700 pound hydraulic knuckle front end. Modern front end with power steering and 12v system and a motor with an oil pump instead of splashing it around means he can drive the shit out of it with his family.

Now if you have something that is rare, like a ix or a Bauer or an mtech or m3 then yes you should keep it as stock as possible. The IS is going to fetch more than an I but again it's not going to matter if you have aftermarket springs on it instead of 200000 mile suspension just because "it's stock"



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[JasonC]

When I say that tasteful mods don't lower the value of one's car and you respond with three other people that bone stock is always going to fetch a higher price then you're right, you're not "implying" anything...you're flat out stating it as fact.

What you did was replace stock parts for more desireable stock parts. You made a clone. Is it worth more this way? Most of the time yes. But will it be worth what the real thing brings? No, cause it is a fake, it didn't roll off the assembly line as a mtech car.