What is this Panjo crap

[Shock(/\)ave]

After seeing what's involved I'm not using Panjo. If that means I can't list items here for sale until this experiment concludes as it undoubtedly should, then so be it.

I'd be happy to support the community, though.

[DrJosh]

The switch to Panjo went poorly on the worlds largest audi site. No one uses it and they brought back the regular classified with the option to use Panjo. The same will happen here. It is just a shitty service plain and simple.

And for the record, E30tech died because Chris went MIA and no one could approve new member applications, not because of the fee.

[rturbo 930]

On another forum, you have to be a donating member to post items in the classifieds. $20 minimum. I don't think it's a perfect solution but it seems to work against both scammers and supporting the site.

[mbonanni]

I hate change, and hate panjo, but seeing as I don't have an e30 anymore, yet continue to use this forum to sell items and get info from, I can deal. Though, in my opinion, there are better ways to fund the site if that is the issue.

R3v donation thread?

We've had similar threads in the past with success.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=250178&highlight=donation

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/showthread.php?t=347253&highlight=donation

[ThatOneEuroE30]

I see where you are coming from James but saying you can't ask someone to manage the classifieds section is kind of redundant because that's what a moderators job is to moderate the forum.. So as far as that goes make a group of classified only mods. We have many mods maybe add some more to pick up the slack of the one who are no longer as active on the board. I do however feel like Panjo could possible dwindle down the number of forsale threads cause it's human nature to take the path of least resistance and with the old setup it was click and post now with the registering stuff I see many people just saying eff it and either junking said part or only advertise locally through the grape vine per say.


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[Sean]

I think the forum is lucky that James is so transparent with this. I still remember the days of e30sport, and when it fell, how r3v was started up to fill the void and when the whole Jordan collapse happened. We are fortunate that James has been kind enough to continue to run with this despite all the nancy bullshit that seems to occur (and myself as well as other members are pretty much insulated from). So, James, bravo. ;) I'll embrace whatever change is necessary from my end.

And what happened to e30tech? I saw a mention of that and see they're down? lol

[Poopie]

Thanks a bunch, James.

You get used to panjo. Its annoying to have to register for something else and it has its quirks. Hopefully in the end, this change will allow you to focus on growing this site and events.

[plmichal]

Just opened up a new FS using Panjo for the first time. Initial thoughts... It's not ideal and I will not link my CC. However I don't mind supporting this forum with some cash contributions to keep it going. Any way I can do this?

[sonomabimmers]

What R3V and other forums truly needed was a way to force people to list what they were selling correctly. Look at craigslist today, you must enter in:

• Title
• Description
• Year
• Make/Model
• Fuel
• Title Status
• Transmission

i agree with this strongly. a big % of r3v members post this stuff but there are many who post bullshit ads in need of more info.

[James Crivellone]

There is no "leftover" money. R3v loses money every year as far as I know. But that's up to James if he wants to talk about it.

You also aren't required to use Panjo to process payments - the 6% fee is entirely optional. You only need the account to make postings. You could use paypal or whatever you were doing before just fine.

This, what Nando said above.

Here's the deal, Every.. Single.. Day, I get people complaining about users in for sale threads, prices too high, ripoffs, scammers, etc.. every... single...day.

So I respond to some of them, however i have a day job and a life, so I get behind, now I have people complaining about how, "James never responds, James does not care, etc...etc"

Panjo and I started talking and yes its also a business decision, I cannot handle playing Judge Judy for the classifieds section, I cannot ask someone for FREE to handle that either, Panjo works as a third party, hence why they need to be paid as well.

Yes, change sucks, No you don't need to use Panjo for payment if you don't want to, yes this is for the best.

Every single thing needs to at least pay for itself.. I ran this thing for over 6 years without making a dime on it, and at the point now I need R3V to be in the black on my books, its a business as well as something i'm very passionate about.

This year we lost money, the E30Picnic R3V party was down in attendance, so we lost about $600 bucks, that I paid for out of pocket, so all of those who attended could have a good time.

Please don't turn this into a, "James just wants to make money thing", and please don't turn this into a "this is the death of R3V thing"

The world is not free, every month I get hosting bills, we have server upgrades and replacement, licensing fee's, etc.. it all adds up..

Those running with pitchforks need to realize things from my perspective as well

[Vincent Brick]

I don't understand what was wrong with the r3v classified section in the first place.

[IDM]

I don't understand what was wrong with the r3v classified section in the first place. Panjo plain sucks, that's why I stopped going on bimmerforums. I guess all good things come to an end and this seems to be the beginning of the end for R3v. If R3v needs money to stay a float then lets have a yearly funds drive like S14 does, it works like a charm there and that's why it's still the best BMW related board.

[2002tiiguy]

i cant say im entirely thrilled about the idea by itself, HOWEVER, if it means we wont end up like e30 tech, im all for it, i wouldnt even mind giving $100 a year to the forum, its better than mitchell on demand or any other service you can buy, (granted that this is only really good for bmw's)

[agent]

I noticed agent edited my post to help clean up a link and my linked Panjo images went away. This is another con if that is to happen as well... Either it was a bug or agent didn't like my pics

Sorry about that - it wasn't a clickable link until I edited it, though I may have grabbed too much.

[tonerrrr]

What R3V and other forums truly needed was a way to force people to list what they were selling correctly. Look at craigslist today, you must enter in:

• Title
• Description
• Year
• Make/Model
• Fuel
• Title Status
• Transmission

This can also be changed for parts obviously but at least having these certain things such as transmission and make/model will allow people to only see what they want to see.

Panjo forces you to show the location and has a better image hosting than R3V...that's it. The argument about safer transactions isn't accurate. You can get scammed no matter what. It's the people who gift with PayPal or don't understand how claims work who truly get scammed because they aren't being smart.

I'd rather pay a yearly fee for posting in the classifieds section (rare for me compared to others). The idea that Panjo makes what R3V makes is stupid to me since they don't truly make the experience better. I'd much rather give R3V the entire amount if there had to be a 3rd party payment system though of course it's not that simple.

This is my feedback and nothing more. I don't own the site or pay for it and understand the decision was probably thought out though I believe the cons still outweigh the pros.

By the way, I forgot to mention. I noticed agent edited my post to help clean up a link and my linked Panjo images went away. This is another con if that is to happen as well... Either it was a bug or agent didn't like my pics