E30 S50 swap

[Jordan]

Can I ask what you do at this dealership? Are you a stock boy or a lot attendant?

Maybe a Oil Filter Lube Tech?

I only ask because it seems to me you don't know jack about anything.

[ETA fro]

Can I ask what you do at this dealership? Are you a stock boy or a lot attendant?

Maybe a Oil Filter Lube Tech?

I only ask because it seems to me you don't know jack about anything.

well he knows where to ask

[rwh11385]

Re: No street racing for me

The engine I would really like to use is a euro S50........Has anyone done this swap successfully either themselves or had a shop do it and has any words of wisdom? And I'm probably not the guy you're thinking, mostly because I'm in maryland.

Wouldn't fit without a remote brake booster and a lot of custom work. But somone on R3V does have a Euro M3 motor in his car, so it can be done. He's in Iceland and name is Gunni, gstuning is his s/n.

People have. Chuck90M3 or i forget his screenname is very helpful with people asking about his swap. Also, Bluntheadtrama on Bimmerforums answers a lot of peoples inquires.

I think you're not him then. I just wanted to check.

[WhiteE30]

I work in parts. You're right, I don't know much, which is why I'm asking. Do you have a better way of finding information?

[rwh11385]

Been a while since I hit a newbie with the search emoticon.

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2129

Welcome to R3V!

Not to talk down to the noob, but this topic has been beaten to death. The search tool is sometimes difficult to bring up good results, so I'll help you out:

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=224 M50 swap

http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=892 Stroker kit or e36 swap?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=874 Question for M50/S50 Swappers
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=631 s52 swap quesetions,
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=411 m50 swap: Vanos vs. Non-V?
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=274 resurrecting the turbo M50 thread (pic request)
http://www.r3vlimited.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=275 any one with the M50 conversion

and that's just some of the threads about M50/S50 swaps on this forum. Amazing, isn't it?

Anyway, here are a couple good sites to look at:

http://www.lukasbmw.com he's done it, and he even has the cost of all parts. All the tips, pros and cons. Look in modification articles -> M50 swap.
http://www.e30m50.com is a great source, and it follows one boys progress on doing the swap himself

Pete McHenry
Precision Performance
Winston-Salem, NC
910-761-0643

Stu Mc wrote:
My dads # is (336) 761-0643.

The Zionsville CD is a generic swap kit. It is a "universal" kit for all E30's, and there are a lot of factors that need considering in different model E30's that arn't covered in the swap CD. Examples: wiring info is different on almost every E30; 84-85 318, 84 325e, 85-87 325e, 88 325e, 87 325i, 88-91 325i, '91 318is.


The M50 swap is the same as the S50, as the engine externally are the same. So the process will be the same, the results......very different,

Stu's father is one of the premier BMW engine rebuilders in the nation. He pioneered the swap. He can be very helpful, to say the least. He put an OBD-1 3.2L S50 in Stu's 318is.

Lukas is a member he and has a M50 swap.
Trent is a mod here and has a M50 with M3 cams.
Ryan Stewart is looking at a S50 swap as well.

Here is a BF.c thread about the swap. BF.c is a good forum, but not nearly as technically knowledgable on the whole as R3V:
http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=161314 E36 M3 engine in E30...difficult?

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=cc44b10ffe670c6e87c97d0e0fc7b1d5&threadid=161575

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...hreadid=154981 e30 m50 swap

Good luck with the swap!

http://www.theeurodepot.com/e30m50.html - -e30 M50/S50/S52 Conversion Information: Declassified Officially gone are the days of overpriced information regarding this swap!!!This page has just been started and not yet completed. But it covers engine, radiator, and transmission.

http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/M50conversions.htm - M50 engines into E30 chassis WOW! - - Terry's BMW shop's ad for M50 swaps.....with prices ($3000 labor)
http://www.terrysaytherauto.com/E30-S52Conversion.htm - Not Enough Power- E30 S52 Conversion - - An article on putting the S52 in the E30 M3

http://www.lukasbmw.com/m50_swap_advice.htm direct link to Luka's M50 page

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/index.asp A great place to find engines and other parts, look in their free classifieds. Also, someone on this forum with an OBD-I S52 in his M3 says that Turner's people were very helpful in helping him through the swap.

The Zionsville Autosport CD may not be worth getting, but taking at look at their E30 Twin Cam conversion parts packages are!

http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/store/shop.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=6134&Category_Code=ETCK

http://www.zionsvilleautosport.com/s...gory_Code=TCEM - Engine Mounting parts kit.
These kits are made to sell at outrageous prices. No one should pay $3,300 for an M50! Add $3200 for the S52 from them! But their package can help to show what parts are needed.

Altavista time! Use babelfish translation to read the German
http://www.e30.de has a walkthrough of the E30 24V swap, as well as the M30.

http://www.e30.de/m50.htm

Finally, rede30, http://www.baye30.net/ is important for you. R3V is a great forum, but BayE30 will offer you more regional and local help. You could find the ideal shop to advise you or local salvage yard, etc.

Engine swap cost and feasiblity

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143878

Rebuild the M42 or throw in an M/S50.

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=162810&highlight=m50

e30 m50 swap

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=154981&highlight=m50

E36 Engine Swaps...How do they handle??

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=143111&highlight=m50

finally ran the e30 s50 turbo in the 1/4

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=137019&highlight=m50

- Revo86 , 400hp motor and 225's in the rear, 12.8@112, stock compression, 6psi, smt-6

what is needed, e36 2.5 engine into e30

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=131276&highlight=m50

Parts list for M50 swap?

http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121657&highlight=m50

- - chuck90m3 likes to help everyone with info about the swap

[e30Matt]

Zing. 8)

[Bryson]

m50s aren't very expensive at all, i got an entire car with one for 1k and my friend just picked up a complete s50 with all pumps, harness, ECU for 3k... I wouldn't pay 5 for an s50, and sure as shit wouldn't pay 2 for an m50

[M-technik-3]

m50s aren't very expensive at all, i got an entire car with one for 1k and my friend just picked up a complete s50 with all pumps, harness, ECU for 3k... I wouldn't pay 5 for an s50, and sure as shit wouldn't pay 2 for an m50

Agreed there are too many floationg out there. A local shop has one M50 listed for $500.

[CiLK WuRM]

Check Ian332is' car out. Euro S50B32 into a 325i Sport. He's in Englnd, but drops in here occasionally. Catch him on E30zone.co.uk

[Stuart B]

Check Ian332is' car out. Euro S50B32 into a 325i Sport. He's in Englnd, but drops in here occasionally. Catch him on E30zone.co.uk

I can't wait to Ians car, we are going to an e30zone rolling road day in may. (assuming i get my clutch done hehe)

Stu

[WhiteE30]

Thanks for all the responses and assistance. I had no idea that this subject was discussed so many times before. I say again, I'm new to the tuning scene. Jordan is right, I don't know much about anything. But for an administrator, he wasn't much help...haha. Just kidding. Right now I'm in the information gathering/planning phases of the car. Thanks again. You'll be hearing from me a lot. And just to let everyone know, If anyone has any detailing or car care questions, I can help with that too. I detail cars on as a side job.

[Beau B]

I am in the process right now of getting all the parts together for the swap, if you want to do an S50 be prepared to spend at least 6k just as everyone else has said. I have already spent that, but than again I am upgrading a few parts such as LTW flywheel etc. I just about have everything I need just trying to finalize a few things before I start the swap. I am hoping to start the actual swap in a month..

Beau

[M50Webber]

...Going rate for just M50 around here is 5k, all inclusive...

Shit, I'm getting a non-VANOS motor for ~$800. Where are you getting your engines?

Seriously. I paid 700 for my M50, and rebuilt it completely for another grand. 5K is ludicrous - you can get an entire e36 325is in decent shape for 5k.

Chris

[chucko]

Haven't heard much about the M30 swap, 3.5L engine you could probably get cheaper than the M50. I just saw a complete 635csi on sale for $3500 with 140k on the clock.

[fortysix]

Hey sorry to bring back a thread that has been dead for a couple weeks...anyway. I've posted on bimmerforums for a while but just checked this site out today. My dad has an E46 right now, I have a crappy Saab, and in a little under a year I'm going to have $20k to spend on a car.

I'm looking at E46s, but I am also interested in the E30/S50 swap. I've heard people talk about $6k for parts (just the engine?) plus around $3k for labor. Add in the $3-4k price of the E30 and we're already looking at around $12k, being very conservative.

I would also be needing to upgrade the suspension, obviously, and would like an LSD as well. Is it feasible to perform this swap under a budget of $20k? If not, what would be sacrified by sticking to that price point? What do you think a rebuilt S50 engine would sell for? I'ts probably alot easier to buy a rebuilt one (or one with low mileage) then it would be finding a higher mileage one and having to spend even more labor money rebuilding it.

Thanks alot.