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  • equate975
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    • Jun 2004
    • 3382

    #1

    Car mindfuck, please help lol

    Ok, this is going to be a long post, but honestly I need some opinions because I am about to drive my car off a bridge.

    This is on my 96 jetta 2.0, this is how it starts....

    My car didn't like coolant. It would perpetually be "low" all the time. It was always just a tad bit under the low mark on the reservoir which would set the low coolant light off. But it would never overheat. Every 4 months or so I would have to add maybe 20oz of coolant to it just to top it off, although it never over heated.

    I racked this up as a a leak. There is the coolant flange on the side of the head that would dribble a bit, so it never worried me.

    One day I am adding coolant, and for some genius idea I put orange in (yes the original is green) and yes, I know your not supposed to mix them but I did without thinking at the time.

    A week goes by or so, then my car fucks up. No heat, and it would overheat right away. The T-Stat is on the water pump, which then goes to the lower end of the rad, through the rad, etc. Well this was stone cold, which lead me to believe the T-Stat wasn't opening. I figured mixing the orange and green just plugged the fucker up.

    I brought the car to my mechanic because I didn't feel like changing it out at the time. I told him the story and told him to replace the T-Stat and the coolant flange on the side of the head (which was leaking) while he was at it. So he does it all. Oh also, when he was bleeding it, he put a new temp sensor for the rad fans in,

    He says the car is done, so I go get it to drive home. Well I had heat now, but when I was driving the car would overheat. If I stopped it would cool off. So I bring it back.

    He dicks around with it, checks my head gasket. He thought maybe coolant was leaking into the cylinders, not into the oil, so he pressurized it, pulled the spark plugs, and looked for leakage. There was none. So he guesses it was a bad water pump. I went along with that because I was about 100 miles away from my 160k mark for the timing belt and water pump. I told him don't worry about it because I am going to replace the two at school. So I take it home.

    Well I couldn't leave well enough alone and was driving the car. I would drive, let it heat up, pull over and it would cool down. I did this for a while just trying to figure out what was going on, if it was really the waterpump. After 30 min or so, the car worked just fine. Again it would never over heat, the lower rad hose was hot, and the rad fans kicked on. I ended up driving it for another month or so just putting the timing belt job off. Didn't have any problems after that. Although for some reason my car still didn't like coolant. Again it would be perpetually "low" but never over heat.

    So 3 weeks ago I replace the timing belt and WP. Get the job all done, add some coolant, and take off. Well it overheated. No surprise because this engine is a BITCH to bleed. I spend a few hours bleeding the damn thing, and finally get it to work. I could drive around, have heat, no problem.

    But then, when you park the fucker and let it sit, it fucks up again. You start driving, you never get heat, and it overheats. I would then have to rebleed the engine all over to make it work. I spent a great deal of time trying to figure it out. I found if you start it up, let it overheat a bit, crack the res cap and let some pressure out, it will work for an hour or so. The mind fuck is the lower rad hose would NEVER get hot, the coolant fans would NEVER kick on. But it wouldn't overheat for a long time. Which I don't get at all... If the lower rad hose is cold the t-stat must not be open, so coolant won’t go through the rad, so it would overheat. But it didn’t. At the same time, coolant HAD to be going through the rad so it wouldn’t overheat, so the t-stat must be open…..

    I was driving it around and ended up blowing a coolant hose because I couldn't find a place to pull over. So I was pretty pissed at this point and said fuck it, I'm just bringing it to my mechanic and let him deal with it. Another deal was is I didn’t want to play the guessing game, and just put parts in until it worked.

    Well he decides the rad is plugged. Which I kind of figured in the back of my head. He said he tried to flush it, and barely anything would come out. So I give him the green light to replace the rad and just get my car back.

    He has had it for 2 weeks now and I finally go in today after hes been messing with it trying to figure out whats wrong. So now, I have another NEW t-stat, NEW WP, NEW Radiator, NEW coolant flange, NEW fan temp sensor, new fucking everything.

    And it STILL does the same shit. You can bleed it, drive it, park it, then it does the whole thing all over.

    He said he can pressure test it, and it holds. But when he tests the pressure with the engine on (it building the pressure) it builds too much pressure. Which he said doesn’t happen much, but it can mean a bad head gasket.

    Now he thinks it’s the head gasket. But I swear it can’t be that. How else would everything work just fine? It seems like every time you lose coolant, it fucks with you. It would seem like a pretty big coincidence to me, that when I replace the WP and Timing belt that the head gasket goes at the same time.

    Anyone have any brilliant ideas? Because I am fresh out….
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  • VacMan
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    • Apr 2007
    • 2405

    #2
    I had a Ford Probe that had an inner head gasket leak. The car didn't smoke at all, but when it was running it would overpressurize the coolant tank to the point where it would overflow. If your leak isn't too severe it might explain why you are perpetually low. When you pull over can you hear any noises like someone blowing bubbles with a straw?

    Get the car to operating temps and see if there are bubbles in your coolant. If there are, you probably have a head gasket leak.


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    • gazellebeigem3
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      • Jun 2005
      • 3712

      #3
      Did he test for combustion gases in the coolant reservoir with a block tester? That would rule out the above.

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      • M3 Ryan
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        • Oct 2003
        • 2298

        #4
        How about a trip to the dealer? An hour diagnostic can tell you whats wrong, instead of messing around with some mechanic who has already MORE than proved he doesn't know what is wrong with it... A trained VW Dealer tech should be able to diagnose it in no time for you as they are familiar with the product.
        I see this happen all the time. People want to avoid the dealer and end up spending much more time/energy on a simple problem that was mis-diagnosed from the start.
        I would say you have either a blown headgasket or a cracked head. Its possible that the leak can be intermitant and then introduces air into the system which doesn't bleed itself out and then it overheats. Start with a block test, then a leak-down and see just what/where the problem really is.
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        • der affe
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          Technical
          • Dec 2005
          • 8452

          #5
          also see how he filled the coolant. matco sells a vacuum/pressure coolant filling system that can be an ass saver on problem cars that trap air in the head. it prob isn't your problem since it is usually a prob with DOHC motors and i never remember it being a problem with the 2.0 tall block motors.
          basically what the filler does is seal itself to the coolant bottle, then draw the whole system down to a vacuum (all the hoses collapse down on themselves), it hits zero, then you place a hose in a bucket of premixed coolant, flip a lever and it draws the coolant in the void created by the vacuum. it fills itself to the proper level, no air gets in, no problems!

          saving the fact that you may be trapping air in the head that can't get out, it's probably a head gasket or a cracked head. you drive it, it heats up (expanding...) the expansion lets air in through the cracked head or into the chamber through the bad gasket. you then over heat and pull over. you stop and let it cool down, drive again with air now in the system and it can't flow or make proper pressure, you overheat again.....vicious cycle, you keep bleeding it, and it keeps letting in air
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          • LINUS
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            • Jul 2004
            • 2422

            #6
            Yeah, get the hydrocarbon sniffer test done on the exp tank. That will tell you alot.

            So when you start up from cold, do you see it spitting a decnt amount of water/steam?

            Sweet smell to the exhaust during the cold 505 warmup?

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            • defekt
              Noobie
              • Aug 2006
              • 25

              #7
              I would suspect your coolant, vw is VERY picky about this, here is a good read.

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              • xLibelle
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                • Aug 2004
                • 2673

                #8
                when you shared about your new suspension... i cringed, but held my tounge

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                • equate975
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                  • Jun 2004
                  • 3382

                  #9
                  Whoops forgots about this thread lol.

                  Yeah I don't know why I didn't think to sniff the damn coolant res. I don't think, he has the equipment to do that but I will ask. I know I do at school, but I can't get the car there.

                  As for the sweet smell and what have you, I checked for that but couldn't find anything. Its damn cold too so I didn't spend too much time on it lol.

                  The mechanic is a good guy, I go to him for everything, but he said this one has stumped him. I guess when he gets the head off we can look for a cracked head/block. I'll tell him to do a leakdown and see what he finds.

                  I do need to get one of those vacuum/pressure coolant filling systems, I have seen them around. This engine is a fucking bitch to bleed, you can easily spend a few hours doing it.

                  I read that article about the coolant, I'm not to terrible convinced. If this was some super good motor that I have a ton of money into I would maybe run VW stuff. But I think prestone alone (not mixed with some other shit) will be just fine.
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                  • equate975
                    No R3VLimiter
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 3382

                    #10
                    Originally posted by xLibelle
                    when you shared about your new suspension... i cringed, but held my tounge
                    its better than busted springs and blown struts... lol

                    I should have almost quit this car a LONG time ago.

                    The first year and 50k miles I had it, I only spent $500 on it. New front brakes, new MC, new rear sturts, and something else small that I can't think of right now.

                    But now.... christ. Got about $100 wrapped up into my t-belt and WP, $150 cut check to that guy for replacing all the original coolant stuff, $350 on suspension, now this last radiator replacement and head gasket is easily going to be around a $700 check. This doesn't even address my slipping clutch. IIRC thats another $200 or so.

                    I'm in so deep I can't quit now lol. This thing is gonna be good for another 100k. All the bushings are good so I don't have to worry about them. Coolant system will be all new, new HG, new suspension, new clutch. The only thing I would have to worry about that would be a repair that the car would be undriveable would maybe be fuel pumps or a steering rack. Either of which aren't that big of a deal.
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