How to learn to drive (well)?

[Mulholland]

says the guy who claims to walk away from VR4's from a highway roll? The cars do 180 stock you fucking jackass. No matter how hard you puled, it would fly past you in a few seconds. Either you've been tampering with FWD 3000GT base models that are stupid, or you didn't reallize that a VR4 regards your E30 M3 with as much respect as the next honda that passed your M3. Lets see for a second. Flying brick.... vs. car with on the fly adjustable suspension, exhaust, and active aero chin and trunk spoiler... under rated twin turbo v6 vs. high out put stretched thin 4banger... 180mph top speed vs. what... 130? Yeah I'm sure you walk all over VR4's you fucking tool. S50 swapped you would be watching a VR4's tail lights run away on the highway. Keep dreaming.

Not saying it's the fastest car ever, or even very quick, it's heavy, but still respectably quick (even with stock sti's and such to 100 then it's gone, for what it's worth) but when it comes to a highway roll, you have to be kidding yourself or just no dick about the cars to think you walk away from them on the highway.

BTW you nitpicking the comparison between the eta and i's and M does nothing but prove my point, that being you know your car is slow and therefor have to feel there is a point to be proven.

A fast car is fast, regardless of what cars are slower or faster. Beating another car is just a win and losing is just a loss, that doesn't make your car any faster or slower. We both have slow cars, get over it. Very, very fun slow cars, and slow car racing is the best kind sometimes, but you need a reality check. It's just plain dangerous to drive around with your head that far lodged up your anus.

[Fidhle007]

Even if you owned a brand new just built E30, if you put it next to half the new cars built today, yeah, it's a piece of shit spec for spec. So please, all you uber is owners rant about how eta's are complete pieces of shit, but your cars are sooo awesome. The only mentionably E30 is the M3, and that is more of a collectible aspect than the sheer performance, although it isn't unimpressive. Also please note how the E30 M3 owners never seem to rag on 325is owners. Why you ask? Simple, there cars don't suck so they feel no need for self affirmation by putting down a lower trim car. And btw, the difference between an eta and an "is" is far less than the performance difference of an "is" to an M3, so all of you super duper is driving eta pwnstars go polish your e-peens somewhere else, I can't stand to laugh at your weak sauce bullshit pipe dreams about your cars performance anymore.

I bought an eta because it's in great condition, and I know that no m20's are fast from the factory much less 20 years down the line, all I was buying was a nice commuter. I have a 3000GT VR4 for a go fast car. The only way to have a really fast E30 is to swap out the m20, at which point, all that matters is the condition of the interior of your car basically. I love the E30 community, I just find it laughable how a lot of the i/is owners constantly feel the need to try and justify how great and fast their car is just because it beats out the econotuned version.... big whoop. A Civic Si is faster than a Civic Ex, so congratulations tool, go walk outside and turns the "is" on your trunk lid around, you just became a ricetard in your POS 20 year old car.

Wow, a 3000GT??? Hmmm, how come I always pull away from those cars on the highway if they're so fast?

Let's take a minute and analyze your comparison of ETAs vs. ISs vs. M3s:
The ETA motor produced 121bhp, the I motor produced 168bhp and the S14-powered M3 had 195bhp in stock form.

The E30 body weighs near as makes no difference, 2850 lbs.

On an ETA this makes 85 bhp per ton, an IS therefore has 118 bhp per ton and an M3 has 137 bhp per ton.

Therefore an E30 M3 has 19 more bhp per ton than a 325is and the latter has 33 more bhp per ton than an ETA. And this is all stock mind you...

This is a pretty large gap so your statement about ETAs and ISs being much closer than ISs and M3s completely wrong. Suspension is different on all three models and all three can be modified. The 325is has a much lower final drive ratio than the E car so not only does it have more power it is able to transfer more of that power to the pavement.

I've never driven a Geo of any kind so I can't comment on that aspect of your rant but I can tell that based on your misguided comparisons amongst the different E30 models you probably have a skewed view of how fast cars actually are. Go drive a real E30 and then come talk to us, obviously your ETA is a shitbox like 90% of the others out there.

[TDE30]

I hate eta's, I wish I had an E30 M3 with like 4 turbs.

[Mulholland]

wow i think i might have just lost all faith in humanity....im pretty sure everyone here knows that their e30 isnt a freaking ferrari you dont exactly haffta wake us all up to that fact.....and id say the difference between an e and an i is alot more than youd give it credit.....btw you called an is a lower trimed m3...................you should pretty much just fucking die

learn to read, I love the cars, I just hate the i and is owners who try to rag on eta's being shit. What you just felt is exactly what those i/is owners try to do to eta owners, so yeah it needs to be put into perspective, and what I said was, the difference between my e and an i is less than the difference between and i and an m, and yet m owners don't feel the need to bash on i owners like i owners bash on e's. Sorry for any confusion, don't read it as me hating E30's, I love E30's and the community, the only people I hate are roundel worshippers and eta hating i drivers. They all need reality checks.

A fast car is fast regardless of what is faster or slower than it.

Getting beat or beating another car in a race doesn't make your car slow or fast, it makes you win or loser.

[-limp-]

Even if you owned a brand new just built E30, if you put it next to half the new cars built today, yeah, it's a piece of shit spec for spec. So please, all you uber is owners rant about how eta's are complete pieces of shit, but your cars are sooo awesome. The only mentionably E30 is the M3, and that is more of a collectible aspect than the sheer performance, although it isn't unimpressive. Also please note how the E30 M3 owners never seem to rag on 325is owners. Why you ask? Simple, there cars don't suck so they feel no need for self affirmation by putting down a lower trim car. And btw, the difference between an eta and an "is" is far less than the performance difference of an "is" to an M3, so all of you super duper is driving eta pwnstars go polish your e-peens somewhere else, I can't stand to laugh at your weak sauce bullshit pipe dreams about your cars performance anymore.

I bought an eta because it's in great condition, and I know that no m20's are fast from the factory much less 20 years down the line, all I was buying was a nice commuter. I have a 3000GT VR4 for a go fast car. The only way to have a really fast E30 is to swap out the m20, at which point, all that matters is the condition of the interior of your car basically. I love the E30 community, I just find it laughable how a lot of the i/is owners constantly feel the need to try and justify how great and fast their car is just because it beats out the econotuned version.... big whoop. A Civic Si is faster than a Civic Ex, so congratulations tool, go walk outside and turns the "is" on your trunk lid around, you just became a ricetard in your POS 20 year old car.

wow i think i might have just lost all faith in humanity....im pretty sure everyone here knows that their e30 isnt a freaking ferrari you dont exactly haffta wake us all up to that fact.....and id say the difference between an e and an i is alot more than youd give it credit.....btw you called an is a lower trimed m3...................you should pretty much just fucking die

[Mulholland]

Even if you owned a brand new just built E30, if you put it next to half the new cars built today, yeah, it's a piece of shit spec for spec. So please, all you uber is owners rant about how eta's are complete pieces of shit, but your cars are sooo awesome. The only mentionably E30 is the M3, and that is more of a collectible aspect than the sheer performance, although it isn't unimpressive. Also please note how the E30 M3 owners never seem to rag on 325is owners. Why you ask? Simple, there cars don't suck so they feel no need for self affirmation by putting down a lower trim car. And btw, the difference between an eta and an "is" is far less than the performance difference of an "is" to an M3, so all of you super duper is driving eta pwnstars go polish your e-peens somewhere else, I can't stand to laugh at your weak sauce bullshit pipe dreams about your cars performance anymore.

I bought an eta because it's in great condition, and I know that no m20's are fast from the factory much less 20 years down the line, all I was buying was a nice commuter. I have a 3000GT VR4 for a go fast car. The only way to have a really fast E30 is to swap out the m20, at which point, all that matters is the condition of the interior of your car basically. I love the E30 community, I just find it laughable how a lot of the i/is owners constantly feel the need to try and justify how great and fast their car is just because it beats out the econotuned version.... big whoop. A Civic Si is faster than a Civic Ex, so congratulations tool, go walk outside and turns the "is" on your trunk lid around, you just became a ricetard in your POS 20 year old car.

[Fidhle007]

exactly. You're a roundel worshipping joke and a tool. You must never Auto X or got to a track with anyone but other E30's to think your car is epic huh? Always some B.S. excuse with you guys to, "my E30 may have lost to a Honda, but it's still a BMW so it's nicer!" hahahaha you idiots need to reallize that's what everyone you might beat says too. "Yeah maybe that old 325 beat me but it''s still an old piece of shit." Get over yourself. And again, the only difference between E30's and half the stuff you guys rag on is they are RWD, which you aren't drifting or popping wheelies drag racing, so WTF do you care? faster is faster, accept it and shut the hell up

:bow::hitler:
I think that swaztika should be replaced with a roundel, make it a way better smiley.

Just because your E30 is an old piece of shit doesn't mean that MY E30 is an old piece of shit.

[TDE30]

exactly. You're a roundel worshipping joke and a tool. You must never Auto X or got to a track with anyone but other E30's to think your car is epic huh? Always some B.S. excuse with you guys to, "my E30 may have lost to a Honda, but it's still a BMW so it's nicer!" hahahaha you idiots need to reallize that's what everyone you might beat says too. "Yeah maybe that old 325 beat me but it''s still an old piece of shit." Get over yourself. And again, the only difference between E30's and half the stuff you guys rag on is they are RWD, which you aren't drifting or popping wheelies drag racing, so WTF do you care? faster is faster, accept it and shut the hell up

:bow::hitler:
I think that swaztika should be replaced with a roundel, make it a way better smiley.

All of this from the whiney bitch who owns an eta.

Your rants suck.

[eric (^__^)]

reading that post was not the life affirming experience I was hoping for

[Mulholland]

I think...

I might...

get sick...
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exactly. You're a roundel worshipping joke and a tool. You must never Auto X or got to a track with anyone but other E30's to think your car is epic huh? Always some B.S. excuse with you guys to, "my E30 may have lost to a Honda, but it's still a BMW so it's nicer!" hahahaha you idiots need to reallize that's what everyone you might beat says too. "Yeah maybe that old 325 beat me but it''s still an old piece of shit." Get over yourself. And again, the only difference between E30's and half the stuff you guys rag on is they are RWD, which you aren't drifting or popping wheelies drag racing, so WTF do you care? faster is faster, accept it and shut the hell up

:bow::hitler:
I think that swaztika should be replaced with a roundel, make it a way better smiley.

[eric (^__^)]

have

have any of you actually driven a GTI

[nando]

In the eurotuner tuner shootout against pro drivers and money is no object cars? I'll have to pull his laptimes at willow.

that rag? seriously?

[DCColegrove]

E30's aren't the most amazing handling cars in the world dude, my Geo Storm GSi was a WAY better auto x car...

I think...

I might...

get sick...
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[Mulholland]

E30's aren't the most amazing handling cars in the world dude, my Geo Storm GSi was a WAY better auto x car. On stock suspension with compounds it pulled a .98g, and even stock they lift the rear tires before they understeer, the turn in is amazing. My favorite part is when I mention this car, and people start BS'ing saying "geo metro" or "geo prism" and have no idea what a storm is anyways, but think it is far inferior to an E30 at the track or auto-x, so commence flaming... then when curiousity sets in go yahoo/google geo storm and find out about another old cheap cool fun car. Yes it's fwd... but unless you drift or drag race, which most of your cars can't do anyways, then they will kick your ass track or auto-x. Not hating on E30's, again, just the people talking crap about mk2's outhandling E30's so easily.

[Fidhle007]

To the OP.

That's a good question (I mean this sincerely).

Me personally, I cant drive for shit anymore (too old and slow on the reactions) however I know know how it's done. I think your best bet (short of paying Skip Barber) is to find a very large deserted place with good pavement and some guys with proven driving skills to hang out with and have at it...Sounds like an autocross to me.

Best statement of the thread so far, you can stay.