Picked up a new ride........

[MIKe30]

This thread is hilarious, given the means I'd like to see how many people would actually still DD an E30.

I bet A LOT would still DD one! But I'd also bet 95% of them would take the newer car out on a saturday night to a nice dinner or date with their lady or even go single to a bar/club, etc instead of the e30.

[pureaudio]

This thread is hilarious, given the means I'd like to see how many people would actually still DD an E30.

[z31maniac]

I'd be interested to see how far suspension design has actually come in those 20 years. Yes, companies realized that customers wanted more "sport tuned" suspensions, so companies used some stiffer springs/dampening, and the cars can house larger rubber, but i'd be interested to see how far the geometry and potential of suspensions have come, like in the case of the M roadster using "antiquated" technology. I'm not saying e30s are teh bestest or Zs arent, im just honestly curious.

In the case of the 350Z, it actually has a pretty innovative suspension design.

It's a multi-link front and rear that uses lots of aluminum. Front suspension camber/caster can only be adjusted by replacing the upper control arms with adjustable units.

But quality pieces can be had for about the same price as Vorshlag camber plates for BMWs.

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/nissan-350z-design2.htm

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/nissan-350z-design3.htm

8. The spring bucket, also with a toe bolt. Or SPL makes a spring bucket with heim joint at the hub to adjust toe. True coilovers also the use of a spring bucket delete toe arm.
7. Rear camber arm, again replace with adjustable and you have full range of camber adjustement. Important on lowered cars.
5. Traction rod, this can also be replaced with an adjustable unit. Allows you to change the rear bumpsteer. Again helpful on lowered Zs.
3. Is the upper link, no adjustable upper rear links that I know of.

Nah dude. Only late E30 M3s came with aluminum control arms.

Why is this such a pissing contest? This is probably worse than Mustang vs. Camaro on domestic iron forums. B-b-b-but if I put a Griggs suspension on the Stang and some R888s I'd smoke you in the straights, the turns, and in the paddock when all these toothless bitties in XXL Budweiser t-shirts will start sweatin mah nuts. I say probably because I don't actually browse F-body / Mustang forums.

Because comparing to non-track drivers driving street cars on the street is the ultimate comparison of superior engineering.

Duh.

I don't care if he thinks his swap car better. Doesn't bother me at all.

In reality, I'm just waiting a few years for people to get the S54 swap nailed and the price of the engines and 6spd's to come down.

Then I'll be back in an E30.

[FredK]

Nah dude. Only late E30 M3s came with aluminum control arms.

Why is this such a pissing contest? This is probably worse than Mustang vs. Camaro on domestic iron forums. B-b-b-but if I put a Griggs suspension on the Stang and some R888s I'd smoke you in the straights, the turns, and in the paddock when all these toothless bitties in XXL Budweiser t-shirts will start sweatin mah nuts. I say probably because I don't actually browse F-body / Mustang forums.

[Farbin Kaiber]

This m3 you have, it has 5 lugs, right?

[e30polak]

^ Duh, it already should have aluminum control arms.

No, the moron I bought it from replaced them with steel ones! :hitler:

It's ok, I found a sweet deal on some slightly used ones that I grabbed already. :D

[Farbin Kaiber]

^ Duh, it already should have aluminum control arms.

[e30polak]

You just went from comparing an s52 non-m e30 to an s54 e30m3, but I'd still put money it wouldn't come close. The e30 may be more fun to drive, and it may FEEL faster because it'll be louder and more raw, but all things equal regarding driver and conditions...it will lose. You're comparing modern technology to 20+ year old suspension technology.

Not Really. I previously stated that my non-M swap car should be able to beat one in practically any situation, which I'm confident that it could. My buddies have quite a bit of trouble keeping up with my e30 in the canyons in their 350Zs, especially on tight, downhill runs. In the straights, I pull at any speed up to 135.

Then I stated that my new M3 project WILL destroy a 350Z on the track. I'm getting fiberglass fenders, hood, and front bumper, with light wheels, and aluminum control arms to offset the weight of the s54. I'm going to mimic my current suspension set-up on the swap car for the M3; it's really dialed in. With sticky 245s all around, better brakes, and the more plentiful powerband of the s54, my M will NO DOUBT work even a modded Z on the track.

[Danny]

Fuck you, Buddy.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Fred, I will keep you abreast of the debauchery via my twitter feed.

[FredK]

man. I wish I were going to Vegas, too!

[MIKe30]

blahblahi'moldblahblahlolzblah.... HAYL no.

:rofl: love the emphasis on the hayl. haha

Yeah, when it was only 3.5 hours away from me in SoCal, I used to go up all the time, now, it's a 10 hour drive thru Utah, so I don't go as often. What plans do you have? Maybe we will bump into one another, just so long as you are not rock hard when this happens.

wow, if that place was 3.5 hours away from my buddies they'd either be in rehab or busy declaring bankruptcy lol!

Going to pm you regarding plans...

[Stephen]

I'd be interested to see how far suspension design has actually come in those 20 years. Yes, companies realized that customers wanted more "sport tuned" suspensions, so companies used some stiffer springs/dampening, and the cars can house larger rubber, but i'd be interested to see how far the geometry and potential of suspensions have come, like in the case of the M roadster using "antiquated" technology. I'm not saying e30s are teh bestest or Zs arent, im just honestly curious.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Cool. Sounds like you've been there a few times. I've only been there once before and it was an absolute disaster (a good one :)), I'm hoping this time will be just as good.

Yeah, when it was only 3.5 hours away from me in SoCal, I used to go up all the time, now, it's a 10 hour drive thru Utah, so I don't go as often. What plans do you have? Maybe we will bump into one another, just so long as you are not rock hard when this happens.

[SpyHunter]

With AST 4100s and some decent high performance street tires, I almost kept up with a 350Z driven by an SCCA champion road racer. On R comps. He would pull me in the straights, but couldn't lose me in the turns at all. 350Z was stock. E30 had suspension mods, an exhaust, 3.27 LSD and Star Specs 16X8 wheels.

Just throwing gas on the flames. ;) I like the 350z a bit. Really like the 370Z, and appears I might get to flog one a bit at a track event in July. And I think you made a good choice for a dual purpose DD. Only thing better is a Miata. Ok, not really. But it IS the "answer". ;)