Rolling e46 shots... no 56k

[Jand3rson]

What he's saying though, TJ, is that all the shit that they're claiming is going to happen at 100k is happening at about 60k-80k. And you also have to think about all the stuff you replaced on your E30 at 100k-120k, is going to make sure your car goes for another 100k, at the least.

[Digitalwave]

I follow you on this, but a few the master techs (which in include the shop foreman at BMW of SD, and Mercedes of SD, two very large dealers), both state how the new crop/generation of cars are utter throw-aways. One of these foreman even is an E30 fan, as he states opposite of you. These were great, reliable cars with a good build quality, not found on often cars. Hell, he has an E30 M3 and considers it the pinnicle of BMW. You can mark my words that these newer cars will not be around like the generation of BMW's in the 80s. The E30/E28 cars will still be around and sought after, when these new cars will just be tossed wayside. I stand long and hard by my point that these are terrible trash, disposible vehicles. I feel drivers in E46s might as well be driving a Kia or Hyundai. They get nickle and dimed to death just the same.

Let me put it another way...i state that these cars start hitting the fan around 60-80K. Somebody who sticks with maintence (or negecting), might see 100K before lots of problems begin.

Lets show how even BMWAG wants you out of that E46 (that was built to last until right after warranty -- good engineering). As we know, E46's come with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission/differential. Now, if you call my local dealers, and ask what "lifetime" actually means, they tell you 100,000 miles. Thats it. Done. E46=Throwaway junk.

As for the E30 being a fanboy car, it can be to a point. I love these people who have E30 325Es and have "mpower" lanyards, or M3 badges, or talk about how hot the new M6 is. Sure, you can like the cars, but you certainly can be a fanboy. There are those of us on the other side. Could I afford an E36/E46/E90? Yea, probably, do I want these cars? Naw...been there done that, drove hundreds of them.

I still don't buy it Trent, while I agree that the E46 might not be as venerable as the E30, E30's still have a shit load of "100,000 mile" gremlins too. I've replaced just about everything there was to replace on my E30 between 100-120k, out of necessity.

[Dave]

^^^^^

+1

A couple of years ago when I needed to get a new daily driver, I looked long and hard at e46 Coupes. While I loved the styling, every last one of them (even the CPOs at the dealers) had some kind of stupid issues. Airbag lights, electrical gremlins, service histories that while complete, showed a lit of stupid (yet costly if out of warranty) fixes.

That is a big part of what drove me to get a Lexus. Those sorts of issues were just not there with the Toyota built cars.

Trent-

What you said about the E46 directly applies to the E36 as well (with the exception of the EML and Xenon failures, obviously). It sounds like you are in the repair/service business so obviously you have worked on more of them than me, but I have owned three E46's that I bought new-my '00 323Ci had a few very minor glitches, but my '02 and '05 330i's were absolutely problem free for the time I owned them. Now, I did not have them long enough to hit 60k miles, but I will say they were so much better in quality than the E36 M3/4 I owned at one time.

I was a teenager when the E30's were released, and my sister purchased a new '86 325 during that time. From all the issues she had with her car, plus talking with mechanics who worked on them back when they were new, E30's were far from being reliable and had quite a number of issues then. The experience my sister had with her car has kept her from ever buying another BMW.

I guess my point is-every generation of 3 series (and every model of BMW for that matter) has had their share of problems. I don't see this trend stopping anytime soon.

I follow you on this, but a few the master techs (which in include the shop foreman at BMW of SD, and Mercedes of SD, two very large dealers), both state how the new crop/generation of cars are utter throw-aways. One of these foreman even is an E30 fan, as he states opposite of you. These were great, reliable cars with a good build quality, not found on often cars. Hell, he has an E30 M3 and considers it the pinnicle of BMW. You can mark my words that these newer cars will not be around like the generation of BMW's in the 80s. The E30/E28 cars will still be around and sought after, when these new cars will just be tossed wayside. I stand long and hard by my point that these are terrible trash, disposible vehicles. I feel drivers in E46s might as well be driving a Kia or Hyundai. They get nickle and dimed to death just the same.

Let me put it another way...i state that these cars start hitting the fan around 60-80K. Somebody who sticks with maintence (or negecting), might see 100K before lots of problems begin.

Lets show how even BMWAG wants you out of that E46 (that was built to last until right after warranty -- good engineering). As we know, E46's come with "lifetime" fluid in the transmission/differential. Now, if you call my local dealers, and ask what "lifetime" actually means, they tell you 100,000 miles. Thats it. Done. E46=Throwaway junk.

As for the E30 being a fanboy car, it can be to a point. I love these people who have E30 325Es and have "mpower" lanyards, or M3 badges, or talk about how hot the new M6 is. Sure, you can like the cars, but you certainly can be a fanboy. There are those of us on the other side. Could I afford an E36/E46/E90? Yea, probably, do I want these cars? Naw...been there done that, drove hundreds of them.

[Digitalwave]

Let me show you my Pokemons,

My pokemons, let me show you them.

[E30_pilot]

thank you for my new sig!

rofl!!

[DEV0 E30]

If I could afford an e90 I'd have one. Not just yet though.

[Julien]

Trent-

What you said about the E46 directly applies to the E36 as well (with the exception of the EML and Xenon failures, obviously). It sounds like you are in the repair/service business so obviously you have worked on more of them than me, but I have owned three E46's that I bought new-my '00 323Ci had a few very minor glitches, but my '02 and '05 330i's were absolutely problem free for the time I owned them. Now, I did not have them long enough to hit 60k miles, but I will say they were so much better in quality than the E36 M3/4 I owned at one time.

I was a teenager when the E30's were released, and my sister purchased a new '86 325 during that time. From all the issues she had with her car, plus talking with mechanics who worked on them back when they were new, E30's were far from being reliable and had quite a number of issues then. The experience my sister had with her car has kept her from ever buying another BMW.

I guess my point is-every generation of 3 series (and every model of BMW for that matter) has had their share of problems. I don't see this trend stopping anytime soon.

I agree with you. Look at the consumer reports digest numbers on all three series, they rank roughly the same. Oh and, car of the year trend started with the e36, not the e30.

for Roz:
I've owned twice as many e30s as you've owned, don't tell me what driving one makes me look like. E30s are great cars, similarly e36s, e46s and e90s, but seriously, get off your high horse; it's just another car that makes it's owner look like a total fanboy (ditto for 240s, hatchback civics, mk2 GTI, etc etc etc).


Julien

[Roz]

selling your e46 for an e30... lol gg fanboy.





Julien

I suppose that if you feel that what people think of you is based on what you drive, then it is time for you to move on into the sea of mediocrity.

Roz

[Eric Giles]

Trent-

What you said about the E46 directly applies to the E36 as well (with the exception of the EML and Xenon failures, obviously). It sounds like you are in the repair/service business so obviously you have worked on more of them than me, but I have owned three E46's that I bought new-my '00 323Ci had a few very minor glitches, but my '02 and '05 330i's were absolutely problem free for the time I owned them. Now, I did not have them long enough to hit 60k miles, but I will say they were so much better in quality than the E36 M3/4 I owned at one time.

I was a teenager when the E30's were released, and my sister purchased a new '86 325 during that time. From all the issues she had with her car, plus talking with mechanics who worked on them back when they were new, E30's were far from being reliable and had quite a number of issues then. The experience my sister had with her car has kept her from ever buying another BMW.

I guess my point is-every generation of 3 series (and every model of BMW for that matter) has had their share of problems. I don't see this trend stopping anytime soon.

[jflip2002]

Considering that the E46 chassis is what keeps the independent sector of repair shops alive after warranty is a true statement of this cars longevitiy, build quailty, and design. When everything hits the fan at 60K to 80K, that is not ideal.

Lets make a short list:

EML units
control arms/bushings
complete cooling system
window regulators
a/c compressors
air pumps
subframe problems (he has the 99)
alternators
blower resistors
xenon problems (if has)
diff bushing (on cover)
lets not even mention that many of these engines are pulling head studs...

There, you want more? The e46 is truely a throw-away car, sure all cars have these problems (well, most), but it happens to these cars sooner than later.

*edited...added a few more things.

Well.. Now thank you for enlightening me LOL. I was only aware of about 50% of those problems. Though a few of those are maintentance items.....

[M42Technik]

Whered you find a mexican in Germany to do the pinstriping

Here, ask that same question again:

[Julien]

selling your e46 for an e30... lol gg fanboy.





Julien

[Roz]

[quote=trent;607151]Considering that the E46 chassis is what keeps the independent sector of repair shops alive after warranty is a true statement of this cars longevitiy, build quailty, and design. When everything hits the fan at 60K to 80K, that is not ideal.

Lets make a short list:

EML units
control arms/bushings
complete cooling system
window regulators
a/c compressors
air pumps
subframe problems (he has the 99)
alternators
blower resistors
xenon problems (if has)
diff bushing (on cover)
quote]

It's true (I've experienced over 50% of what's listed there w/94k on mine, and the previous owner caught most of the rest). The car's in pretty good shape now, but I find it boring, therefore it's up for sale in favor of an E30.

Intelligent....Insightful... Tell us more. Please

Considering that the E46 chassis is what keeps the independent sector of repair shops alive after warranty is a true statement of this cars longevitiy, build quailty, and design. When everything hits the fan at 60K to 80K, that is not ideal.

Lets make a short list:

EML units
control arms/bushings
complete cooling system
window regulators
a/c compressors
air pumps
subframe problems (he has the 99)
alternators
blower resistors
xenon problems (if has)
diff bushing (on cover)
lets not even mention that many of these engines are pulling head studs...

There, you want more? The e46 is truely a throw-away car, sure all cars have these problems (well, most), but it happens to these cars sooner than later.

*edited...added a few more things.