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    New Air Conditioner in a 90 325is

    So, I figure this would be a good place to do a little project blog on the installation of my new 134a Air conditioner. I went all summer in houston last year with no AC so it won't happen again. As of right now, here's what I've got in terms of parts:

    NIB:
    New AC hoses
    134a retrofit kit (essentially a shit load of o-rings)
    134a compatible drier
    New hi/low switch
    Synthetic compressor oil
    New expansion valve
    New belt
    2.5 lbs of 134a refrigerant
    134a charge oil

    I already have a new fan and resistor, so no worries there.

    2nd hand parts:
    Newer rebuilt seiko-seiki compressor

    I intend on buying:
    New evaporator
    2nd hand e36/e46 condensor (maybe just a new one, too)

    At this point, I will have a 100% new AC system. Every piece will have been replaced.

    So, here's the deal. I bought these new AC lines a little prematurely. I heard a theory once that all R12 systems leak no matter what. As it turns out, this is somewhat true. The AC lines are actually vented. They are designed to let air escape. Naturally, coolant escapes too. Newer 134a cooled cars use barrier lines. So, it doesn't appear that BMW makes barrier lines for the e30. I haven't quite decided what to do about it yet. I'll either run my new lines and hope for the best, or have my old lines remanufactured with barrier hose and then sell the new ones. The benefit of the latter is that in the process I'll have them install fittings so that my stock lines mate up to the e36 condensor. In case you didn't already know, r12 condensors aren't large enough to properly cool 134a coolant. A larger surface area is needed to drop your ac temps. I'm basically going to go to the junkyard and get the biggest thing I think I can make fit and then have the lines remanufactured to accomodate the changes.

    My second issue is this: My compressor says "R12 ONLY" all over it. Now, I looked up the PN and it's associated with a retrofit kit, but the kit is the seal set that I have. Totally independent of the compressor. Also, I've read around and a lot of people have had good results running their original compressors with a similar conversion. Since mine is recently rebuilt, I like my chances. Additionally, I think that the people who's compressors grenaded used a full 2.5lb charge of 134a - which you're not supposed to do. You get the best performance out of a slightly undercharged system. Since I'll be running a larger condensor I can probably get away with 2.5lbs - but I'll have to do some math once I actually get the unit. If it grenades, then I'll buy a 134a converted e30 compressor. I tried to find a seal kit for mine to no avail.

    I'll post pictures as soon as I get working - which will probably be this weekend. During this process I'll also complete the following:

    New windshield wiper fluid pump and nozzles
    New antenna gromett
    New Starter
    New interior door handle and bezel
    New hood release handle and cable
    New brake pads, rotors and sensors
    Re-skinning a seat.

    I'll do my best to document all of these - probably with my iphone camera.

    Any tips, comments, concerns or funny pictures are appreciated.
    "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

    #2
    Subscribed as I'll be doing this shortly as well.

    Why "2nd hand e36/e46 condensor " ???
    Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



    OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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      #3
      *shrug* mechanic just evacuated the r12, changed the high/low valves + caps, and recharged w/ r134a-- haven't had an issue and that was about 6 weeks ago

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        #4
        Originally posted by Jean View Post
        Subscribed as I'll be doing this shortly as well.



        Why "2nd hand e36/e46 condensor " ???

        Well, as soon as I wrote all of this out I did a little more research and realized I made a mistake. The new lines I bought are from the condensor not to the evaporator. So, I'm going to use the new lines and a new e30 condensor and then have my old lines to the evaporator remanufactured. Pain in the ass, right?
        "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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          #5
          Originally posted by raafhimself View Post
          *shrug* mechanic just evacuated the r12, changed the high/low valves + caps, and recharged w/ r134a-- haven't had an issue and that was about 6 weeks ago
          It will slowly eat away at your seals and leak through your vented hoses. Also, I hope to high hell he replaced the drier as well.

          I want to do this right and hopefully do it only once!
          "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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            #6
            If you price all those lines NEW from bmw, you can almost buy a used e30 lol.
            Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



            OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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              #7
              Originally posted by Jean View Post
              If you price all those lines NEW from bmw, you can almost buy a used e30 lol.
              Likely true. Having my old evaporator lines remanufactured with barrier hose should save some coin.
              "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                #8
                Subscribed - I took the AC out when I did my swap. I want it back.
                Originally posted by Matt-B
                hey does anyone know anyone who gets upset and makes electronics?

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                  #9
                  Auto air shop near me says 50 bucks per hose to install rubber barrier line. I'll be dropping them off this weekend....

                  Just ordered a new evaporator and condensor too. Strange, the new compressor that prompted my project is beginning to look like the weak point.
                  "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                    #10
                    Just started doing this on mine. So the factory drier won't hold up to R134a?

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                      #11
                      Dryer is the cheapest component in the a/c system and should be replaced anytime you open your system up anyway.
                      Mtech1 v8 build thread - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho...d.php?t=413205



                      OEM v8 manual chip or dme - https://www.r3vlimited.com/board/sho....php?p=4938827

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                        #12
                        I ordered a behr unit from autohausaz for like 18 bucks. And jean is correct - you must replace it every time you open up the system.
                        "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                          #13
                          check out e30tech too HVAC section. really informative

                          Later model e30s which were R12 were already compatible with the R134. Just needed to hook up adaptor. I did with my Mtech. Worked fine.

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                            #14
                            Thanks for the link. Some valuable info in there.

                            Can you elaborate on late model e30s being 134a compatible? Is it the hoses, seals, compressor or all of the above? What production dates?
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                              I forget. its all in here
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