DHS 9-page Report on Rightwing Extremism

[ragged325]

Poll for e30 Cabrio and mrsleeve:

a. It is not likely that some right-wing loner is going to take this teabagging stuff too far and plot to blow up some gov't building. It is ridiculous to believe that there are right wing extremists out there who own lots of guns and bombs and are super-angry about Obama/taxes and may act violently.

b. While there are right wing extremists plotting violence against the gov't, it would be silly to pay attention to them.

c. POTUS

d. SCOTUS

e. Other _________________________________________

[mrsleeve]

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This country was founded on Jewdeo / Christian values, with a constitutional clause that you will left alone if you choose to believe/worship anyone or anything you wish. So yes we are a christian nation in general but if you want to pray to your belly button lint or to Joe Pesci you are free to do so.

The R's moved the religious right to get votes 30ish years ago and thats their biggest base, many people vote for them solely on the pro life platform. They appeal to the christian values (that most people in the country are, in some form of another) they are not mandating a national religion. (me, I am a independent conservative)

I guess I am armed to the teeth, but I am not waving my gun threatening any one, I have not had to draw weapon in response to a threat, and I hope it stays that way (I am one of the 90million+ responsible ones) now anyone threatens me, my family, or friends in my presence God help you because thats all your gonna have.


I do agree with you that there needs to be some regulation and penalties if you break the law and cheat the system to get ahead. But the regulation and taxation needs to kept to a minimum, this is not the road we are going down.

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Dude you are not getting it.

Your poll makes no sense to me sorry.

We are just trying to get across that the broad sweeping allegations, of easily over 50% of the US civilian population and that of all returning Vets are being swept into the "Right Wing Extremist" With no evidence, no probable cause, or combat experience for only disagreeing or questioning the the Elected saviors, policies and sweeping socialist leaning agenda. Why is this, because information in the hands of the unwashed masses on a saturation level will be a threat to the agenda. people with combat knowledge are a threat because of what the Govt trained them to do. Its as simple as that.

[ragged325]

This country was founded on Jewdeo . . . values,

I'm sorry, I thought that was funny. I didn't read all of this thread and I didn't read all (i.e., any) of the memo. While you may call me a hippy, I consider myself to be a moderate. It's not really my issue, but I can see why the gov't would want to take an interest in some of the people on the extreme right of this country and watch what they're doing. I think the debate should be about how far they go to do that.

[mrsleeve]

Not saying you are a hippie,

Now you are starting to get it. We are in no way saying to ignore the right, or the life, but how about we watch the ones that need to be watched, you know the ones that have ties to Groups that are out there on the extremist fringe. Or keep a better eye on the groups them selves. Not a bad idea ehh, leave me the hell alone, I am a threat to no one.

Not just say all of us need to be watched. Because of your own posts you fall into the watch right wing watch list because you favor lower taxes and smaller govt.

[E30 Cabrio]

Ragged 325, don't expect anyone to engage you in a debate when you make false arguments...

[Hallen]

You guys rant a lot and so I'll throw in my two cents. I'm all for a balanced budget and reduced taxes/gov't spending.

I do believe in gov't regulation because I think when businesses can succeed by acting unethically, they will. To me it's like having a football game with no referees. If there's no one penalizing you for cheating, you have to cheat to win.

With that said, why can't the Republicans get a Presidential candidate with this simple platform: Reduce taxes, reduce gov't waste and balance the budget. I would vote for something like this. IMO, if the Republicans came back in 2010 and said that what we really, really care about is making our country fiscally sound, people would rally behind that.

As far as the gun thing, I personally don't really care. I don't choose to own a gun, but if my neighbor wants one, I couldn't give a shit.

Instead, the Republican mantra has to be, "less taxes, and let's have a Christian Nation". If I turn on Fox I'm going to see a count of how long it's been since Obama went to church. What's that about? That waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles Ann Coulter is going to be going off about how all of the "secular progressives" are ruining the country. I'm not going to vote for that.

So then when the Republicans lose, they can't take responsibility for it. If the tax thing was that big of a deal, why did you have to package it with the religion? People would vote for the smaller government thing, but why should the government be telling me what the proper religion is? Are we all supposed to vote for which god to worship? Huckabee, Palin?

And again, personally I don't care if people want to arm themselves to the teeth, but if you're waving a gun threatening to disrupt the government, I hope they shoot you dead (whether you're a vet or not). In America, we have elections to pick our leaders and policies (remember, I don't care how many guns you own, it doesn't make your vote worth more than mine).

I know, you're all Libertarians.

I would agree with a lot of that. I too wish the Republican party would step back from their association with religion. I am not saying for anybody to ignore their religion, what I am saying is that associating the Republican party with religious organizations is perceived as overstepping the bounds of the separation of church and state. It scares a lot of people and I can't blame them for that.

I don't want government regulating morality, either from the right OR from the left. Yes, the left does it too, they just do it differently.

I would disagree with the business needs regulation comment though. I do agree that in specific cases some regulation needs to be in place. However, if you replace the word "regulation" with "law", then I am with you. The difference is that regulations tell you what you have to do, law tells you what you can't do. I know it is more complicated than that, but the basic presmise is still important.

I do agree that law enforcement may need to step up their monitoring of right-wing radical organizations. Those idiots, with their puny egos and narrow views, just might do something horrible. But that simply does not excuse this report. The wording clearing vilafies conservatives, implying suseptability, racism and anti-government activities. And honestly the opening phrases are dispicable because they place political motivation ahead of national security.