Another marital problem thread....

[jrhaile]

This is the most egregious flaw in Christianity and any other text-based religion. It's stuck in the past and is largely inflexible to positive societal changes. For instance, we no longer stone adulterers because we have found better ways to deal with them. Back in the first century, adulterers were rampant, and it was considered extremely brave and moral to punish them. If religion could evolve with the times, it would be a lot better off.

Maybe a bible Word document...

Couldn't agree more, once again. My wife calls me a non-believer because I don't care to agree with some of the shit in the Good Book. Then when I tell her I'll fucking cut her throat if she cheats, she says "you can't do that." Bullshit I can't, it says so in the good book I can

[funcrew]

Oh really? I was a Christian for the majority of my life. I did the whole church thing, read the bible, mission trips, etc. I believed it because I was young and didn't know any better. I had yet to come up with any opinions of my own and believed whatever was told to me. Then as I grew into an adult, I began forming my own opinions. It was at this time that I also started taking University Philosophy courses which in turn led me to realize how completely superior reason is to faith.

Do you know what faith is? It is belief without reason. Now tell me, do you really think it is a good thing to believe something without any reason or evidence just for the sake of it? What is the point? What is the point in believing that there is a man living in the sky who answers prayer, punishes people, lays waste to entire cities but "loves" everybody at the same time? It is just so ridiculous I cannot even comprehend why anybody would choose to believe this crap. I cannot understand why people choose to believe that the Earth is only 5000 years old and that people were created as opposed to a geologic and evolutionary scientific view of the universe based on hard evidence. It is a giant joke.

Your world view is a popular one on this forum. On the other hand, I've seen a lot of people whose lives were wrecked, self-destructive, and a menace to others that got totally straightened out when they asked God for help. Whether God was fictional or not, that faith transformed their lives. I look at those results and have a hard time dismissing all religion and sprituality as worthless and ignorant.

[Slangbox]

You're right, there is no such thing as scientific proof. However, science is far superior to any religious teaching because it is backed by loads of evidence. So even if it cannot be taken with absolute certainty, one is still justified in believing it based on the evidence and inference to the best explanation.

Some people criticize the lack of truth in science but in fact it really is what makes it so wonderful. It allows for better explanations to be formed when new evidence is discovered. This is opposed to religion which is taken to be absolute and unchanging, even in the face of contradictory evidence.

This is the most egregious flaw in Christianity and any other text-based religion. It's stuck in the past and is largely inflexible to positive societal changes. For instance, we no longer stone adulterers because we have found better ways to deal with them. Back in the first century, adulterers were rampant, and it was considered extremely brave and moral to punish them. If religion could evolve with the times, it would be a lot better off.

Maybe a bible Word document...

there is no truth, that's the issue.

I sure as shit can't say with 100% and be truthful that anything in the bible is true. And you can't say, nor can anyone say that evolution is infact TRUTH because they have NOT found any proof - thus the reason it's still taught as a theory.

You're right, there is no such thing as scientific proof. However, science is far superior to any religious teaching because it is backed by loads of evidence. So even if it cannot be taken with absolute certainty, one is still justified in believing it based on the evidence and inference to the best explanation.

Some people criticize the lack of truth in science but in fact it really is what makes it so wonderful. It allows for better explanations to be formed when new evidence is discovered. This is opposed to religion which is taken to be absolute and unchanging, even in the face of contradictory evidence.

[jrhaile]

TRUTH

If people weren't fighting over religion they would be fighting over something else.

Please try and disprove that so using the Crusades and any other relgious war as reason to call it bullshit is indeed, BULLSHIT

/truth

[jrhaile]

My wife goes to church every sunday.....she takes the kids with her......I stay home and work in the garage or clean the house or do yard work or whatever whilst I smoke cigarettes, and drink beer.....we have come to the understanding that I'm a non-believer..I only believe in whats here..around me and is indeed tangible.........she believes in god, prays every nite yadda yadda yadda.......I have always felt she is free to do what as she wants. If she wants to go to church.....I'm not going to stop her because I don't want to go....she just knows not to push it on me. I have no idea about this scientology stuff.....I was never really into religion. I was raised as a luthran and as I got older I felt too many things didn't make sense. Sort of like rationalizing that a bump in the night wasn't a big scary monster under my bed....it was the bloody cat jumping off the counter or what not. But at any rate.....it really sux that something like this could ultimately dissolve your relationship. I hope you can get things sussed out. I find it hard to believe that your relationship is based solely upon your religion or faith or whatever you choose to call it.

Scientology isn't the only religion in which the church is very embedded into a relationship. Mormon and JWs both experience the same things.

[jrhaile]

Haha, that sounds a lot like faith to me.

Maybe I am being a bit arrogant but I do think that I have been lucky enough to have learned Philosophy as a skill which has allowed me to rationally question anything and everything. Most people live their lives without ever learning these skills and ever forming a belief of their own.

I firmly believe that it is everyone's duty to search for the truth rather than to believe something without question. It is never justified for anyone, anywhere, at anytime to believe anything without sufficient reason or evidence. Christians do it by definition.

there is no truth, that's the issue.

I sure as shit can't say with 100% and be truthful that anything in the bible is true. And you can't say, nor can anyone say that evolution is infact TRUTH because they have NOT found any proof - thus the reason it's still taught as a theory.

"Its a crutch for the weak minded" says the brainwashed pothead. you are one of a kind h0lmes. i seriously tune into r3v mainly to see what stupid thing youll say next. fuck religion, this isnt about religion... its now about your fucking ignorance

How about explaining why you think my statement is ignorant rather than just attacking me. K thanks.

[EricT]

My wife goes to church every sunday.....she takes the kids with her......I stay home and work in the garage or clean the house or do yard work or whatever whilst I smoke cigarettes, and drink beer.....we have come to the understanding that I'm a non-believer..I only believe in whats here..around me and is indeed tangible.........she believes in god, prays every nite yadda yadda yadda.......I have always felt she is free to do what as she wants. If she wants to go to church.....I'm not going to stop her because I don't want to go....she just knows not to push it on me. I have no idea about this scientology stuff.....I was never really into religion. I was raised as a luthran and as I got older I felt too many things didn't make sense. Sort of like rationalizing that a bump in the night wasn't a big scary monster under my bed....it was the bloody cat jumping off the counter or what not. But at any rate.....it really sux that something like this could ultimately dissolve your relationship. I hope you can get things sussed out. I find it hard to believe that your relationship is based solely upon your religion or faith or whatever you choose to call it.

[jrhaile]

The point in believing in something like Christianity is to give a person hope and a purpose. Yes, historically Christianity has given many people the wrong purpose (War), but for many others it is a very positive influence. The human brain does not like pressure. Having a god takes away the pressure of a random, uncontrollable life. This is the way I see it.

But what do I know, I'm an atheist.

I can agree with you 10000% even though we believe in different things...

I don't agree with what relgion's have done in the past, but some of the general messages in them are what has kept society together.

You are. Simple as that I'm sure most on here will agree.

Haha, that sounds a lot like faith to me.

Maybe I am being a bit arrogant but I do think that I have been lucky enough to have learned Philosophy as a skill which has allowed me to rationally question anything and everything. Most people live their lives without ever learning these skills and ever forming a belief of their own.

It is everyone's duty to search for the truth rather than to believe something without question. It is never justified for anyone, anywhere, at anytime to believe anything without sufficient reason or evidence. Christians do it by definition.

[blunttech]

Yeah see that's one of the big problems I see with Christianity. People choose to give up their problems to Jesus instead of solving them on their own. It's a crutch for the weak minded.

"Its a crutch for the weak minded" says the brainwashed pothead. you are one of a kind h0lmes. i seriously tune into r3v mainly to see what stupid thing youll say next. fuck religion, this isnt about religion... its now about your fucking ignorance

[Slangbox]

always amazes me how derailed some threads get.

o sry op

[Slangbox]

You are. Simple as that I'm sure most on here will agree.

Stop acting like you're the enlightened one when what, 5 billion people on this earth in some way or another believe in a higher power. Are you and your fellow "thinkers" just that much more special? Did you come up with some of those thoughts in your parents basement?

I already told you I don't believe in most of the stuff in the bible as most of it is complete bullshit and imo, just a "guide" to live your life. But there is TONS of evidence to support a lot of the stories in there that one cannot just ignore.

You opinion is "this is bullshit." Good opinion dude. Well thoughout, would read again.

shit phone call.. brb

Throwing up defensive walls and bashing the basher is no way to argue.

Rhetoric lose.

[Liam]

Always amazes me how derailed some threads get.