Holy F-ing North Korea!

[madformx5]

This hasn't been true for most of the last six years.

trust me. I work for the gov. There is a shitton of people applying for military because of the economy and we still have a LOT of reserves. Promise.

[madformx5]

During Vietnam my father only spent one tour there. Too bad many of our soldiers can't say that today. It will be an interesting fact to find out in the next few years how the rate of PTSD in Iraq and Afghanistan compares to Vietnam.

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sorry max this is for the chic


I understand all that, Really I do

the army has around 400,000 active, that includes grunts, support personnel and every thing. thats less than peek deployment of army and Marines durring Vietnam buy 150k.

[mrsleeve]

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My uncle spent 3 tours over there, Special Forces, (Rangers IIRC, I dont know any more than that he never has and will never speak of it) one of my dads buddies was a seal and was there 67-71 I think, he still has to sleep in a separate room from his wife and she has to wake him up with a really long stick, been that way since he got home nearly 40 years ago he has nearly killed her in his sleep due to night mares he still has to this day.

[Farbin Kaiber]

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3722339,00.html

[deutschman]

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My uncle spent 3 tours over there, Special Forces, (Rangers, I dont know any more than that he has and will never speak of it) one of my dads buddies was a seal and was there 67-71 I think, he still has to sleep in a separate room from his wife and she has to wake him up with a really long stick, been that way since he got nearly 40 years he has nearly killed her in his sleep due to night mares to this day.

man thats kinda fucked up. think of the shit he saw to make him like that... thats really to bad.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I have heard unimaginable stories from corpsmen in 19 from Nam.

[mrsleeve]

man thats kinda fucked up. think of the shit he saw to make him like that... thats really to bad.

Yeah hes one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, to look at him you would never think he would have been a seal, kinda tall and skinny (still really frickin strong though) He will talk about some of the stuff he did, nothing to detailed, but I guess much of it is still classified or was 10 years ago the last time I saw him.


He will kick your ass though, my dad always told me the story about how Dan Cleared a bar by himself, because some dude was messing with him and tried to fight him and eveyone wanted a try after he kicked the shit outta the 1st guy.

[Vrbovan]

nightmares and having a fucked up life sucks.... but if it came down to taking this cock sucker out or letting him start WW3... I'd fight! my politics are against war, but its unavoidable sometimes...

[rockchic22]

This hasn't been true for most of the last six years.

I would know... we do all of their security clearances.
There are more people applying to the military than we can keep up with.

[madformx5]

The difference between your uncle and your dads friend and my dad is that they were in the special forces and my father was not. When it comes to deployments the special forces are a different ball of wax. My father was just in the regular Air Force. I am not saying that he had it easy over there but he wasn't in the special forces. This year will mark the the forty-second year since he returned from Vietnam and he still will not talk about what happened over there. The only way I will ever find out is to send off for his service records after he dies. The father I grew up with was a different man than he would have been had he never been sent to Vietnam. I have heard stories about the man he was before he left but the same man did not come back because these stories are vastly different and he was almost 30 when he got back. He had been in the military for eleven years when he was deployed. He wasn't some eighteen year old kid. I can only imagine the damage it did to those guys because they were still kids and at least my father was a full grown man. The difference then and now is these kids are having to go back three, four, and five times and we still have another two years before we are supposed to get out of Iraq and God only knows how long it will be before we can leave Afghanistan. During Vietnam soldiers had eighteen months between twelve month deployments. I think we should stay in both countries as long as we are wanted and needed but its going to take more troops in Afghanistan then we currently have to do it right and not continue fuckups of the President Bush, Vice President Channey and former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. If we keep sending the same troops back over and over again especially with only twelve months between eighteen month deployments something is going to break. With the structure of deployment and rest back in Vietnam, three tours would have been the most my father would have been sent on. I used to work with a couple of guys who spent three tours in Vietnam. One was a Marine who volunteered for his and the other was a crew chief on a Huey and people who flew helocopters or on them were in high demand. One time the Air Force tried to get my father to take a Warrant Officer's commision to fly Hueys and he told them, "Hell No!"

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My uncle spent 3 tours over there, Special Forces, (Rangers IIRC, I dont know any more than that he never has and will never speak of it) one of my dads buddies was a seal and was there 67-71 I think, he still has to sleep in a separate room from his wife and she has to wake him up with a really long stick, been that way since he got home nearly 40 years ago he has nearly killed her in his sleep due to night mares he still has to this day.

[madformx5]

I completely agree. The question is how would we take him and his ruling party out without starting another war with Russia and China too?

nightmares and having a fucked up life sucks.... but if it came down to taking this cock sucker out or letting him start WW3... I'd fight! my politics are against war, but its unavoidable sometimes...

[madformx5]

So are you saying they have been exceeding their recruitment quotas all for the last six years since we invade Iraq? How many of the people that you do security clearences for have to have morals wavers? I know the Army has had a lot of them. I also know 911 we had a big surge in enlistees.

I would know... we do all of their security clearances.
There are more people applying to the military than we can keep up with.

[madformx5]

My father has talked in little bits and pieces too but only if I ask questions. I don't remember what I asked him but one time he told me that he ran into Special Forces guys over there and he basically said they were a bunch of crazy fuckers that would've killed their own mothers.

Talking about your dads friend clearing a bar reminded me of something about the guy that I worked with who was a crew chief. He was a heavy drinker. I could just tell when he came to work that he had spent a lot of his off time drinking. He functioned but I have enough alcoholics in my family to know one when I see one. Fortunately my father never took that route to deal with the problems that war caused for him.

Yeah hes one of the nicest guys you will ever meet, to look at him you would never think he would have been a seal, kinda tall and skinny (still really frickin strong though) He will talk about some of the stuff he did, nothing to detailed, but I guess much of it is still classified or was 10 years ago the last time I saw him.


He will kick your ass though, my dad always told me the story about how Dan Cleared a bar by himself, because some dude was messing with him and tried to fight him and eveyone wanted a try after he kicked the shit outta the 1st guy.

[e30trooper]

we shouldnt be in the M.E. we should be allover north korea. wtf is the M.E> going to do well maybe iran and pakistan but their tech. is nothing compaird to north koreas. if we have WW3 its with north korea and the main land will be fucked because there NK insiders here in the US. just my two cent ive had this talk with frnds b4 in the back and to live in Los Angeles we're the 1st to get fuckd by them

[mrsleeve]

I completely agree. The question is how would we take him and his ruling party out without starting another war with Russia and China too?

With the Ruskies it would just be like it was the 1st time around and Vietnam. just a proxy war, the Chinese, are a whole nother ball game who knows with them. Oh I prolly will not volunteer but if the number comes up I will go, might get to put some of my rusty long range marksmen shit to use


Oh my uncle, I always called him that, but hes really my moms cousin, and he has estranged him self from our side of the family, so I have not seen nor heard from him in 15 years or better.