Hilary plan vs. Obama plan

[Jean]

I've been watching the republicans (louie gohmert and steve king) on c-span talk about the national healthcare, and the censorship of using certain words in media or required to pay for their own media per democrats. How when Obama says if you like your current plan you'll be able to keep it, but that can't really happen with all plans having to pass specific guidelines or they won't be legal etc...

Have you guys seen the charts, with something like 33 new entities? How many of you understand it?

Discuss.

[kronus]

in before republicans

[RainierHooker]

The population of the US ( as of Jul 2008 ) is 304,059,724
Obama's Plan is said to cost $1,000,000,000,000 (Thats a Trillion Bucks)
That means that on average the plan will cost EACH person in the US $3288.83
I don't spend that much on health insurance, do you?
I'd rather have the thirty-two hunderd bucks. In check form please...

[kishg]

The population of the US ( as of Jul 2008 ) is 304,059,724
Obama's Plan is said to cost $1,000,000,000,000 (Thats a Trillion Bucks)
That means that on average the plan will cost EACH person in the US $3288.83
I don't spend that much on health insurance, do you?
I'd rather have the thirty-two hunderd bucks. In check form please...

I spend close to that for my wife and I and that's with a very substantial subsidy (they pay 75%) from my employer. Given the choice I will continue to pay that rather than go public option simply because a) I can afford to and b) I will pay a premium for the higher level of service e.g, no referrals, ability to see any doctor anywhere, go straight to specialist etc. However, other folks may not be able to afford that. I don't think it's a question that healthcare costs are inflated. I see the detailed claims statements that my insurance sends me.

[z31maniac]

Like kish said, I pay about $90 a month for just me and my company pays somewhere in the 70-80% range, so that is about right.

But your math is off as the last I heard the $1 Trillion still leaves something like 25 million uninsured. So those of us with premiums still have them raised to pick up the tab on Medicaid/Medicare patients just like we do now.

Dumping more money into a 50 year old broken system is far from healthcare reform, it's simply gov't expansion.

[kishg]

Like kish said, I pay about $90 a month for just me and my company pays somewhere in the 70-80% range, so that is about right.

But your math is off as the last I heard the $1 Trillion still leaves something like 25 million uninsured. So those of us with premiums still have them raised to pick up the tab on Medicaid/Medicare patients just like we do now.

Dumping more money into a 50 year old broken system is far from healthcare reform, it's simply gov't expansion.

expanding the current system is clearly not the right thing but there's no escaping that a) the system is broke and b) we need to do something about it before it balloons into a problem like social security (which i am not even counting on - that to me is lost money).

also don't forget that at the end of the day, we're already collectively paying for the uninsured now. when they're conditions become life threatening and they go into ER and when something that could have been prevented for $100 now costs, $10,000, who do you think is paying? insurance companies are not in the charity business last i checked.

[Leaf]

hilary's a total tart.

[kishg]

hilary's a total tart.

and not in a good sense..

[Need4Speed1299]

Fail vs. Fail?

Come on now seriously, I love this country and our democracy. But, this is socialist. Everyone is like "omg health care!!" but, uhh... socialism???

[TexasTerp]

I have a lot of issues with the bill. I'm about 440 pages into the plan (of 1018 ). One of my biggest issues, actually comes on page 16 under the title "Limitation On New Enrollment" which denies private insurance companies the ability to sign new individuals for coverage. The EXACT paragraph is as follows:

"Except as provided in this paragraph, the individual health insurance issuer offering such coverage does not enroll any individual in such coverage if the first effective date of coverage is on or after the first day" of the year the legislation becomes law."

There are PLENTY of other problems that are put in to specifically undermine and bankrupt the private sector. It seems to get scarier and scarier the more I read through the bill. This is going to be one of the absolute worst Reform Bills in the history of the USA. If you don't believe me, read it yourself.

[kishg]

Fail vs. Fail?

Come on now seriously, I love this country and our democracy. But, this is socialist. Everyone is like "omg health care!!" but, uhh... socialism???

wake up. there's plenty of socialism here already. the whole tax system is socialist. i'd rather not pay 35% of my income so your sorry ass can go to college thank you very much too.. so people who rag on about socialism as if its not already are living a dream. it's funny how so many ppl who complain about socialism would go crying asking for the old system back if we scrapped it and everyone had to pay for every thing out of pocket.

[Need4Speed1299]

it's funny how so many ppl who complain about socialism would go crying asking for the old system back if we scrapped it and everyone had to pay for every thing out of pocket.

Sounds like a great idea to me.

[kishg]

Sounds like a great idea to me.

easy to say, hard to do. did you ever receive or intend to apply for student loans? do you drive on an interstate where you do not need to pay tolls? when you call 911 are you ready to provide a credit card # before they come over? do you own a house and if so, did you receive a federally backed loan? there are many many things you take for granted that are already paid for collectively by everyone.

[Leaf]

We should definitly leave the country in the hands of men not hilary...

[kronus]

Sounds like a great idea to me.

At first I thought you were trolling. But now...


A completely capitalist free-market system is unsustainable.