Why Did it Have to be ... Guns?

[Joey Link]

Excellent quotes.

[Miasma]

"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."

-- Constitutional scholar and Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story, 1840

"Men trained in arms from their infancy, and animated by the love of liberty, will afford neither a cheap or easy conquest."

-- From the Declaration of the Continental Congress, July 1775.

"No kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave."

-- "Political Disquisitions", a British republican tract of 1774-1775

[Miasma]

Good post, Great post.

[mrsleeve]

Does anyone else find the irony between ragged325's post and his avatar?.

Yes I did and I almost cried laughing at it.


Then I thought about it and it really actually makes me sad. This is a prime example of how the American people in general have become complaisant with both our freedoms and our Govt. and its getting worse and worse with each passing class through our education system.

[DarkWing6]

Does anyone else find the irony between ragged325's post and his avatar?

Excellent post Joey. Thanks for sharing.

[Joey Link]

Jesus Fucking Christ!! What the fuck is it with everyone and their fucking guns. I don't give a shit about your fucking guns but it seems like half the fucking threads on these forums is filled with some fucking redneck going off about how everyone is trying to take your fucking guns away. Who gives a shit? No one is coming into your house to steal your fucking gun. Get over it. Am I the only person that finds this annoying? Don't any of you have lives. Isn't there anything else you can take an interest in? Those are rhetorical questions because I'm never opening another fucking thread with the word gun anywhere near it.

Your ignorance hurts us all. It's sad that most people know more about things that really don't matter (such as e30's) than the fundamentals of the constitution that created this great country.

[ragged325]

Jesus Fucking Christ!! What the fuck is it with everyone and their fucking guns. I don't give a shit about your fucking guns but it seems like half the fucking threads on these forums is filled with some fucking redneck going off about how everyone is trying to take your fucking guns away. Who gives a shit? No one is coming into your house to steal your fucking gun. Get over it. Am I the only person that finds this annoying? Don't any of you have lives. Isn't there anything else you can take an interest in? Those are rhetorical questions because I'm never opening another fucking thread with the word gun anywhere near it.

[Joey Link]

I still think you do have too look at the broader issues while picking your vote, but the 2A is right at the top of mine to weed out the undesirables 1st and fore most.

Thanks ;)

I agree with that statement as well.

[mrsleeve]

Rather that quote Joey's every post in this thread.


I will just say go read them all again.



Joey buddy you are spot on, thank you for the article its a good read. I still think you do have too look at the broader issues while picking your vote, but the 2A is right at the top of mine to weed out the undesirables 1st and fore most.

[RudeBoy37]

LOL-at-us-bearing-arms protecting us from the government... that concept of the 2nd is outdated. How are we supposed to protect ourselves from the government.

Maybe the same way they did over 200 years ago... Its not outdated, our way of thinking has just changed. People don't think that they can go against the government anymore.. They think that "its too big," but the English government we went against 200 years ago was also quite large.

Now I'm not saying "Go get your gun, we're starting a revolution." I'm saying that there will be no chance of starting one if its needed if they take away guns.

[Maluco]

Not a single amendment in the constitution is 'outdated' as you say, not even the third. The constitution was written to restrict the government of human nature, because the founders knew the natural path of every society is eventual absolute power, tyranny, and lack of freedom. Human nature hasn't changed in the past 5000 years, let alone the past 200. People from other countries say 'of course we have freedom here', but what's to stop governments from taking that away? Before you say they won't, it's happened many times in the past, and it'll happen again.

well damn...

[Ral]

^^ agreed.. we're seeing the beginnings of it now via "health care reform", bank takeovers, etc.

[Joey Link]

Not a single amendment in the constitution is 'outdated' as you say, not even the third. The constitution was written to restrict the government of human nature, because the founders knew the natural path of every society is eventual absolute power, tyranny, and lack of freedom. Human nature hasn't changed in the past 5000 years, let alone the past 200. People from other countries say 'of course we have freedom here', but what's to stop governments from taking that away? Before you say they won't, it's happened many times in the past, and it'll happen again.

[Maluco]

LOL-at-us-bearing-arms protecting us from the government... that concept of the 2nd is outdated. How are we supposed to protect ourselves from the government. I have mines to protect myself from any unwelcome visitors, period.

[Joey Link]

(before the flamefest starts, cars require a license and registration, as do many other large, powerful, and potentially dangerous piece of equipment.)

This right here shows your fundamental lack of understanding of the second amendment. We were given the right to bear arms to protect against tyranny and the government. We can't have the same entity we're supposed to be protecting ourselves from regulating the means of defense.