E30s are safe...for now

[Alkasquawlik]

If I ran my buisness and ran out any product in 5 days I would have failed to predict my product potential and yes that is a faliure! A massive faluire! This why the govt operates in the red and buisnesses operate in the black.

You're so clueless it's laughable.

It's a failure because the program had to be halted, because there was such poor planning for the response that with only 1/10 of the money spent they were losing track of what was going on.

How hard is that for you to understand?

The point he was making is that if the gov't can't even get their shit together to trade in 250,000 cars and give a rebate, let's let them handle far more difficult health insurance for 300+ million people.

Can't you not see the parallel being drawn?

Thank you, atleast some people get it.

[DarkWing6]

Are our environment and our auto industry not worthy of spending money on?

Please quote the portion of the Constitution that says it is the job of our government to spend money on our environment and/or our auto industry.

[bmwstephen]

I disagree that a parallel can not be drawn.

The gov't is always off the mark from what they say will happen, the programs always cost more, and they are never as efficient or provide as much help as they promise.

That's across the board.

thats because unlike a real business, governments don't engage in profits, risk, or losses. They have moral hazards that allow them to run inefficiently (ex. deficit spending) because no matter what path they take, the government will always be around and their personell will get promotions despite failure. quite unfair when you think about it.

[CorvallisBMW]

The House just approved 2 billion more for the program.

Ya, apparently it was money already approved as part of the stimulus bill, not new money.

[kishg]

free healthcare

no such thing.. and nothing of that sort is being suggested.. i sometimes wonder why i bother to read these kinds of threads on r3v OT. the vast majority of respondents couldn't find their elbow from their asshole on these topics yet claim to be experts..

[BimmerToad]

The House just approved 2 billion more for the program.

[nbio]

I disagree that a parallel can not be drawn.

The gov't is always off the mark from what they say will happen, the programs always cost more, and they are never as efficient or provide as much help as they promise.

That's across the board.

agreed. in the first couple days of the program look what happens, everything gets so backed up that the gov't has to stop it because they are up to their eyeballs in paperwork. now think about what its gonna be like when everyone just suddenly gets free healthcare

POOF

[z31maniac]

I disagree that a parallel can not be drawn.

The gov't is always off the mark from what they say will happen, the programs always cost more, and they are never as efficient or provide as much help as they promise.

That's across the board.

[kishg]

You're so clueless it's laughable.

It's a failure because the program had to be halted, because there was such poor planning for the response that with only 1/10 of the money spent they were losing track of what was going on.

How hard is that for you to understand?

The point he was making is that if the gov't can't even get their shit together to trade in 250,000 cars and give a rebate, let's let them handle far more difficult health insurance for 300+ million people.

Can't you not see the parallel being drawn?

The problem that the parallel been drawn is irrelevant. You cannot compare this potty program to something like health care. lest you forget there are already govt managed health care programs (medicare) which run quite efficiently. i think the management overhead is something like 2%. again, my issue with this program is the concept of it, not necessarily execution.

btw the 1/10 # is wrong. 250MM was allocated in the first few days. I trust the WSJ more than anyone spouting off numbers on r3v.

[z31maniac]

So let me get this straight.

The government institutes the 'Cash for Clunkers' program. The public loves it. In fact, they love it so much that they trade in cars at a totally unexpected rate, much higher than anyone had predicted.

And that's the governments fault? And it's a 'failure', according to you?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word failure (hint, it's the opposite of success)

Like I said, if you opened a business and sold out in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure?

You're so clueless it's laughable.

It's a failure because the program had to be halted, because there was such poor planning for the response that with only 1/10 of the money spent they were losing track of what was going on.

How hard is that for you to understand?

The point he was making is that if the gov't can't even get their shit together to trade in 250,000 cars and give a rebate, let's let them handle far more difficult health insurance for 300+ million people.

Can't you not see the parallel being drawn?

[kishg]

i'm not so concerned about the success failure of the implementation. they under-estimated how popular it would be, no one died. Katrina, now that was a major govt fuckup.. remember that? I'm more concerned about the effectiveness of the program vis a vis the $3billion we're spending on it. I don't see how this helps the environment or gas usage in any material terms. I also don't see how making people buy cars they can likely not afford later or we're going to buy in any case in 6-12 months will help the long term stabilization of the auto industry.

[naplesE30]

If I ran my buisness and ran out any product in 5 days I would have failed to predict my product potential and yes that is a faliure! A massive faluire! This why the govt operates in the red and buisnesses operate in the black.

So let me get this straight.

The government institutes the 'Cash for Clunkers' program. The public loves it. In fact, they love it so much that they trade in cars at a totally unexpected rate, much higher than anyone had predicted.

And that's the governments fault? And it's a 'failure', according to you?

Perhaps you need to look up the definition of the word failure (hint, it's the opposite of success)

Like I said, if you opened a business and sold out in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure?



Except that the $$ you spend on foreign oil went to kill over 2000 innocent Americans on 9/11. And it continues to kill our soldiers all over the middle east. Still want to bring it on? How many soldiers lives are worth it?

[doucy2]

they are all the same.. except for ron paul.

quoted for true.
Legal pot that the government is taxing could most definitely fund this failing program.
Big gov't is the downfall of America.... its happening sooner than later.

[HiTheNameIsBJ]

You need to have owned/registered it for a year. Your SOL.

Owned no problem, I could pick one up from a buddy, there are a shit ton here, and just whip up a bill a sale, registered would deff be an issue.

I also have a 94 s10 that's been off the road forever but I'm the last registered owner, I just figured a mustang would give extra leway.