E30s are safe...for now

[Alkasquawlik]

22,000 work trucks, 240,000 cars:

http://jalopnik.com/5326823/cash-for-clunkers-program-suspended

Stop reading such right-wing news.

If the numbers the Department of Transportation claims they received from NADA are true, it would mean over 21,000 work trucks and 242,000 cars were potentially sold

Those are not facts.

The decision to suspend the plan came after auto dealers warned the government today that it was in danger of losing track of how many trades had actually been made.

Like I stated earlier, it was due to administrative backlogs

[monticello]

My 87 gti isn't eligible for this program because it gets 28 mpg. I don't see the CARS program being for "green" purposes. I see it as a way to ween ourselves from foreign oil while stimulating the economy. It's not emissions restricted-it's fuel economy restricted.

[CorvallisBMW]

You're right, they were allocated $1 billion dollars for the program.
However, they only used around $96 million.

They traded in roughly 22,000 cars.

22,000 x $4,500 = ~100 million

100 million / 1 billion = 1/10

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

Stop being so clueless

22,000 work trucks, 240,000 cars:

http://jalopnik.com/5326823/cash-for-clunkers-program-suspended

Stop reading such right-wing news.

[kishg]

they are all the same.. except for ron paul.

[Alkasquawlik]

Where did you hear it failed due to backlogs at 1/10th of the predicted volume? That simply isn't true, and whoever told you that flat-out lied to you.

The program has been suspended because it ran out of the money allotted by Congress so quickly. The predictions were that it would take until September for the trade-ins to use up the whole $1B set aside for it. Instead, the program was so popular that that moeny was used up in just 5 days.

If you opened a business and sold out of everything in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure? No. So quit being retarded.

You're right, they were allocated $1 billion dollars for the program.
However, they only used around $96 million.

They traded in roughly 22,000 cars.

22,000 x $4,500 = ~100 million

100 million / 1 billion = 1/10

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D99P2U9G1&show_article=1

Through late Wednesday, 22,782 vehicles had been purchased through the program and nearly $96 million had been spent. But dealers raised concerns of large backlogs in the system, prompting the suspension.

Stop being so clueless

[CorvallisBMW]

However, the fact that the program failed due to backlogs and other things at 1/10 of the predicted volume speaks volumes about the government's organization of this. They were extremely short sighted, which makes their idea of universal health care very scary, when they cannot even handle simple trade ins.

Where did you hear it failed due to backlogs at 1/10th of the predicted volume? That simply isn't true, and whoever told you that flat-out lied to you. The program is at 100% of the predicted volume, hence why it ran out of money.

The program has been suspended because it ran out of the money allotted by Congress so quickly. The predictions were that it would take until September for the trade-ins to use up the whole $1B set aside for it. Instead, the program was so popular that that money was used up in just 5 days.

If you opened a business and sold out of everything in 5 days because people loved your stuff so much, would you call yourself a failure? No. So quit being retarded.

[Alkasquawlik]

And if it fails blame it on the republicans.

That is how politics works.

It doesn't matter what party you affiliate yourself with, they are all the same type of people.

Me... I hate all politicans. Except Don Young from Alaska. He is crazy awesome and corrupt.

Exactly. The Democrats are doing it right as we speak.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/...009-07-30.html

Senate Democratic leaders on Thursday blamed Capitol Hill media for setting an August deadline for health reform and Republicans for blocking the bill's progress.

They have a majority in BOTH houses and a President who wants nothing than for this bill to go through.

Their own members are calling out the shittiness of the bill, and yet, it is still the GOP's fault :roll:

Obama and members of the Democratic party have said they want the bill passed by August. So how is it the media's fault?
Retards

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/07/21/obama-wont-rule-surtax-health-care/

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/theoval/post/2009/05/66721649/1

[Midnight Sun]

Regardless of the division of the votes, the Democrats will swing it all in their favor if it ends up being successful.

And if it fails blame it on the republicans.

That is how politics works.

It doesn't matter what party you affiliate yourself with, they are all the same type of people.

Me... I hate all politicans. Except Don Young from Alaska. He is crazy awesome and corrupt.

[Alkasquawlik]

Being 316-109 bipartisan vote. I wouldn't say the democrats are ONLY ones responsible. At least in the house.


At any rate, it is a pretty dumb idea. As stated, most people driver clunkers because they cant afford a car in the first place. As well some of us who do enjoy our clunkers wouldnt trade them in for anything.

What makes me ANGRY is why does my 1985 Eta get 28-30ish miles to the gallon, yet some newer cars cant even best that?

Hail BMW is all I gotta say.

Regardless of the division of the votes, the Democrats will swing it all in their favor if it ends up being successful.

[Midnight Sun]

so the Dems can claim it as a win for the party.

Being 316-109 bipartisan vote. I wouldn't say the democrats are ONLY ones responsible. At least in the house.


At any rate, it is a pretty dumb idea. As stated, most people driver clunkers because they cant afford a car in the first place. As well some of us who do enjoy our clunkers wouldnt trade them in for anything.

What makes me ANGRY is why does my 1985 Eta get 28-30ish miles to the gallon, yet some newer cars cant even best that?

Hail BMW is all I gotta say.

[Alkasquawlik]

I think you're missing the point of the whole program. It's goal was two-fold: To exchange old, dirty cars for cleaner more efficient ones, and to bolster US auto sales.

If anything, the CARS program has been incredibly successful. It has seen huge demand and the has far exceeded expectations.

How exactly has it been 'not successful'?

It's successful in the sense that it did allow people to trade in their cars, whether that is a good thing or a bad thing, that's for another thread. And it did boost some auto dealers sales, not all though.

However, the fact that the program failed due to backlogs and other things at 1/10 of the predicted volume speaks volumes about the government's organization of this. They were extremely short sighted, which makes their idea of universal health care very scary, when they cannot even handle simple trade ins.

They basically failed at being successful, they should stick to what they're good at, being successful at failing.

[CorvallisBMW]

Now they want to float more money into a program that isn't that successful.

I think you're missing the point of the whole program. It's goal was two-fold: To exchange old, dirty cars for cleaner more efficient ones, and to bolster US auto sales.

If anything, the CARS program has been incredibly successful. It has seen huge demand that has far exceeded expectations.

How exactly has it been 'not successful'?

[Alkasquawlik]

People think PETA activists are insane, just wait until E30 activists witness god's chariot being crushed.

Pff, you think Bleeding Kansas was bad?

Them rivers are going to bleed oil. Castrol High Mileage 20-50 oil to be exact.

sigworthy

[DEV0 E30]

People think PETA activists are insane, just wait until E30 activists witness god's chariot being crushed.

Pff, you think Bleeding Kansas was bad?

Them rivers are going to bleed oil. Castrol High Mileage 20-50 oil to be exact.

[FredK]

What they should have done is made it so only cars that COULDN'T pass an emissions test were eligible. Just because it is an old car, doesn't mean it won't pass. If the point was to be "green", then this would have fulfilled it's purpose.

Many parts of the country don't have an emissions test. Even uptight Massachusetts no longer requires tailpipe emissions to be quantified for OBD-I cars. As long as you pass a visual test (no smoke emitted from tailpipe), you can continue belching hydrocarbons / NOx / SOx into the environment, as long as it appears your catalytic converter is present.

So in order to enact such a plan, tailpipe emissions must be gauged across all 50 states. Emissions testing equipment would have to be tested, recommended and then procured by safety inspection stations in states that don't have it as a part of being able to register an automobile.

While it may seem as though much bathwater would be thrown out with babies in the current way the program is run, it correctly identifies older cars to have worse emissions, which as a whole, THEY DO. Even running in tip-top shape, older cars were held to looser emissions standards by the DOT.