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    What's the difference between Zelaya and Bush?

    I'm really having a hard time understanding what appears to be a double standard from liberals. Maybe you guys can explain it for me?

    A president tried to change the constitution of his country to allow him to serve longer than constitutionally permitted. The supreme court of that country rules that this was unconstitutional, and gave the order to detain the president. The congress then officially removed him from power and appointed a new person, someone from the former presidents own party, to be the interim president until elections could be held a few months later.

    I'm trying to understand how this is any different than what should be done in ANY country (including the US) if a president violates the law or constitution of that country. Bush did it and I felt that this should have happened to him. If it did happen to him, would you have supported him? Why do you support Zelaya? Do you believe presidents should be above the law?

    Have any of you asked yourselves why other countries and the UN immediately discredited this lawful act and declared it a 'coup'? Do you think that's right?
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    #2
    Say what?

    Bush tried to change the Constitution so he could serve longer than permitted?

    Am I missing something here?
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      #3
      No no, he's no FDR :P

      Bush Administration vs the US Constitution Scorecard
      http://www.scribd.com/doc/185259/Bush-Administration-vs-the-US-Constitution-Scorecard
      A friend wanted to take a picture of a new multi-story federal building being constructed. Still without its facade, the rows of lights on the many floors were artistic. At twilight one day, he was lining up the shot when a policeman told him he couldn't take any pictures that included building entrances or security features. My girlfriend and I experienced something similar. While taking photos of the train station in Harrisburg to accompany a poem (which was set in the station) to be published in a local book, we were approached by a guard telling us that we weren't allowed to take pictures in the train station. We were fortunate. The guard was reasonable. He let us continue after we explained what we were doing, with his parting words to the effect of "don't make me regret trusting you." I am appalled at the sense of intrusion into average Americans' everyday lives - their rhythm of living while engaging in innocuous behavior. Average Americans are regarded as suspicious and are challenged by authority - even by other average Americans, in this imposed security climate - while engaged in innocent activities. How can that ambiance of oppressiveness and restriction for EVERYONE be justified? Especially when people with real terroristic motives wouldn't be obvious about their actions even WITH these measures! If someone wanted to take a picture of security features on a building for terroristic reasons, the person could easily do it without being noticed. Such blanket security measures can become oppressive to those who are at risk of terrorism. If they are not effective to screen out the real threat anyway, why put average Americans through all of that? A new term seems to have been coined for this: securitarianism. This is relevant to the post-9-11 freedom vs security debate. When did the term "Securitarianism" come into existence? Maybe beginning with this article: www.alternet.org/story/17316/? No online dictionary that I can find has this word in it. A Google search provides links to articles that use the term and give some idea of its meaning. Here are some brief characteristics of the term, pulled from various online articles: "Securitarianism corrodes democracy while acting in its name." (Quoted from here: www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEM20080803140516&Title=Main+Article&rLink=0.) "Terror destroys the rhythms of everydayness. Simple acts like shopping for vegetables, visiting a bazaar, going to the cinema, dropping your kids to school, catching a bus becomes uncertain activities. Terrorism creates a kind of black magic which disempowers everydayness including everyday rituals, performances and technologies. Democracy loses out to terror when it abandons its rituals of everydayness." (Quoted from here: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-3312106,prtpage-1.cms.) "[T]he 'security measures' suggested by the Department of Homeland Security and its agencies, have pierced into personal spaces, crept into workplaces and schools and seeped through the walls of private homes. The integration of these [security] measures into daily routines is part of a phenomenon that we might call securitarianism, a combination of security and totalitarianism that affects the entire fabric of society and reaches into every corner of our lives." (Quoted from here: www.alternet.org/story/17316/.) "Over-securitarianism' does not guarantee safety, but does it block normal people?" (Quoted from page 102 of this online document: www.diplomacy.bg.ac.yu/pdf/visa_policy.pdf Finally... a word that conveys all of what has been progressively more [fill in the word - something between irksome to infuriating]: securitarianism. And I won't even go into the torture definition and its legality - let alone its ethics. You know... for me, it's got nothing to do with about George Bush personally, or with the politcal party in office. If a Democrat were doi

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        #4
        I think i can see what your getting at.

        And the main reason I see for it is that the Liberal portion of this country are a bunch of pussies, who when they do try to raise their voice, have been in the past ridiculed and put down. So like a trained dog they stopped fighting.


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          #5
          Off topic: Mt. Vernon is going to implode tomorrow :)

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            #6
            Yes yes it is, and I am going to be in the middle of it.

            Heres hopeing for a riot.


            "I go slow, cause;Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast."

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              #7
              Take pictures if you feel you can protect your camera :)

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                #8
                Whats going on in Mt. Vernon?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by LBJefferies View Post
                  Whats going on in Mt. Vernon?



                  Glen Beck is getting the Key to the city If I am not mistaken. And a bunch of Libs form Seattle are throwing a shit fit over it.


                  joey, how are we going to get a good answer to your question now that Homie is no longer here.
                  Originally posted by Fusion
                  If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
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                  Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
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                    #10
                    Who is Glenn Beck

                    Who is Glenn Beck and why is he getting the key to Mt Vernon???
                    As for the OP, Bush did some pretty sneaky shit... But remember the golden rule..WHOEVER HAS THE GOLD, MAKES THE RULES.... But in defense of the right wing, Clinton got a BJ in the oval office, and lied about it... That has to be worse than anything Bushy did, right? I mean starting an illegal war and then making all your buddies rich at the expense of the American economy and people, that's nothing.... Just my

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by techterr View Post
                      Who is Glenn Beck and why is he getting the key to Mt Vernon???
                      Wow you dont watch much tv or read many news papers do you. Beck is the guy thats on FOX now thats been banging on ACORN and all kinds of other shit, formerly on CNN has a had a book at the #1 NYT best seller list for 3 months now ans was born and raised in Mt Vernon, hence the key


                      Or dose my sarcasm-O-meter need recalibrating
                      Originally posted by Fusion
                      If a car is the epitome of freedom, than an electric car is house arrest with your wife titty fucking your next door neighbor.
                      The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money. -Alexis de Tocqueville


                      The Desire to Save Humanity is Always a False Front for the Urge to Rule it- H. L. Mencken

                      Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants.
                      William Pitt-

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                        #12
                        And was spoofed on SNL: Political Thursday last night.

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                          #13
                          Its not really people from seattle that are getting pissed about it. Its a good chunk of the population from MV. I being one of them.


                          "I go slow, cause;Slow is smooth, and smooth is fast."

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                            #14
                            Glenn Beck raped and murdered a young girl in 1990. Since he hasn't denied these accusations one must lead to the conclusion that they are true.

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                              #15
                              Wow you dont watch much tv or read many news papers do you.
                              Your right, I try not to watch TV, it just makes me angry... But my wife did say something about this guy, guess I wasn't listening. But isn't he the one that proved Acorn was pushing prostitution or something? Sorry, I'd rather play in the garage than watch this shit. When I saw Beck, I thought it had to do with music... god I'm old..

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