Shit hits the fan in Fort Hood, Texas. 50 casualties.

[BigD]

in the mayhem and confusion at the shooting scene some of the responding military officials may have shot some of the victims

Quest que fuck?

[Massive Lee]

it's unclear as to his motives. let's not make ASSumptions. oh wait, this is r3v, it's what we do here.. nevermind, carry on.. ;)

The news from across the border is that the guy was of Muslim religion (which doesn't necessarely mean he is an extremist or a terrorist BTW). He had been harassed and bullied over and over by the other soldiers on the simple basis of his religion.

[kishg]

it's unclear as to his motives. let's not make ASSumptions. oh wait, this is r3v, it's what we do here.. nevermind, carry on.. ;)

[Massive Lee]

Relevance?

a) Previous comment about Allah from Farbin, and echoed by another.
b) Perception that all Muslims are terrorists...

[ramdmc]

My heart goes out to the victims and their family. What a senseless tragedy, all those lives and families destroyed.

so sad

RC

[HiTheNameIsBJ]

people tweeted the insanity?

Yea they had people's tweets on the news. It's like a real live version of that onion video of people tweeting in the apartment fire.

[markseven]

My understanding is that the perpetrator who was taken down was a military shrink. A well educated doctor. And when looking at terrorist acts made on US soil, most were done by good ol' American boys, including Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, who incidentaly was in the army too... Let's not forget that there's a big anti-governement movement in the US.

Timothy McVeigh
Military service: US Army (1988-91, Persian Gulf War)



"Montana has emerged as a hotbed of extremist ideology. The state is home to Ted Kaczynski, the Freemen, and the Militia of Montana, known as the "Mother of all militias." But Montana's dubious distinction as the "Paraguay of the United States" reflects the woes that a handful of other Western states are experiencing. Montana is undergoing gentrification that is creating hardship for long-term, less affluent residents. As one Montana native describes the invading rich, "They come bearing money, buy up prime real estate and decorate the hills with trophy houses" (Kittredge, 1996, p. 43). In a state where good blue-collar jobs are increasingly hard to come by, economically disadvantaged Montanans must settle for low-paying tourist jobs (considered the "servant trade"), inflated land values, and an erosion of established social bonds. Many towns, such as Lincoln (near Ted Kaczynski's home), have gone bankrupt in the process....

... such as the Freemen, We the People, and People for Constitutional Courts use doctrine from the Magna Carta, the Bible, and the Constitution to argue that the federal government has no legal authority over the common law power of localities (Lacayo, 1996, p. 27). In addition, the influence of the inflammatory rhetoric of mainstream right-wing paranoids (e.g., Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, and Pat Buchanan) cannot be overlooked: "Of course, the difference is that the militia right comes armed with ideas and guns, whereas the mainstream far right comes armed only with ideas" (Gopnik, 1995, p. 8). Although anti-government sentiment is not a recent development in the United States, it has reached a fever pitch in recent years because of two incidents which served as rallying cries for the separatist movement. The first was the shootout at Ruby Ridge, Idaho between white separatist Randy Weaver and law enforcement officials in 1992. The agents' attempt to arrest Weaver on charges of selling illegal weapons resulted in a 11-day standoff that ended in the death of a deputy marshall and Weaver's wife and teen-aged son. Weaver's wife, gunned down by a federal sharpshooter while holding her infant child, became a martyr..."

Relevance?

[Farbin Kaiber]

people tweeted the insanity?

[HiTheNameIsBJ]

people were fucking tweeting while the shooting was going on.

[ShortSkinnyKid]

The shooter is from here. The news is going crazy about the local connection. His parents owned a little store but both have passed. The news says he joined the Army straight out of hight school and they put him through school at Virginia Tech and medical school. Supposedly he has been harassed about being Muslim and didn't want to go into a Muslim area as a soldier. They say he was screaming in Arabic while shooting. Such a senseless tragedy.

[Massive Lee]

My understanding is that the perpetrator who was taken down was a military shrink. A well educated doctor. And when looking at terrorist acts made on US soil, most were done by good ol' American boys, including Timothy McVeigh in Oklahoma City, who incidentaly was in the army too... Let's not forget that there's a big anti-governement movement in the US.

Timothy McVeigh
Military service: US Army (1988-91, Persian Gulf War)



"Montana has emerged as a hotbed of extremist ideology. The state is home to Ted Kaczynski, the Freemen, and the Militia of Montana, known as the "Mother of all militias." But Montana's dubious distinction as the "Paraguay of the United States" reflects the woes that a handful of other Western states are experiencing. Montana is undergoing gentrification that is creating hardship for long-term, less affluent residents. As one Montana native describes the invading rich, "They come bearing money, buy up prime real estate and decorate the hills with trophy houses" (Kittredge, 1996, p. 43). In a state where good blue-collar jobs are increasingly hard to come by, economically disadvantaged Montanans must settle for low-paying tourist jobs (considered the "servant trade"), inflated land values, and an erosion of established social bonds. Many towns, such as Lincoln (near Ted Kaczynski's home), have gone bankrupt in the process....

... such as the Freemen, We the People, and People for Constitutional Courts use doctrine from the Magna Carta, the Bible, and the Constitution to argue that the federal government has no legal authority over the common law power of localities (Lacayo, 1996, p. 27). In addition, the influence of the inflammatory rhetoric of mainstream right-wing paranoids (e.g., Rush Limbaugh, Pat Robertson, and Pat Buchanan) cannot be overlooked: "Of course, the difference is that the militia right comes armed with ideas and guns, whereas the mainstream far right comes armed only with ideas" (Gopnik, 1995, p. 8). Although anti-government sentiment is not a recent development in the United States, it has reached a fever pitch in recent years because of two incidents which served as rallying cries for the separatist movement. The first was the shootout at Ruby Ridge, Idaho between white separatist Randy Weaver and law enforcement officials in 1992. The agents' attempt to arrest Weaver on charges of selling illegal weapons resulted in a 11-day standoff that ended in the death of a deputy marshall and Weaver's wife and teen-aged son. Weaver's wife, gunned down by a federal sharpshooter while holding her infant child, became a martyr..."

[vlad]

I hope this isn't an indication that we're asking too much of our military.

this guy is/was mentally sick, simple as that, if he worked for PSEG or AT&T etc we would blame the said company, it has nothing to do with that, if you don't want to go to Afganistan don't join the army, if you are affraid of the fire, don't be a firefighter. This low life took the lives of innocent people, he should've been killed. With the name Nidal Malik Hasan, I wouldn't be surprised if the shooting had somehting to do with Allah

[frankenbeemer]

It seems he might have been angry about being deployed overseas.

Never been to war, but I did a 6yr USN tour in peacetime, a long time ago. Deployments are tough on the deployed and their dependents. I hope this isn't an indication that we're asking too much of our military. Sometimes it seems we are a military at war while the nation goes on about it's business.

Not excusing or trying to take any of the blame off the shooter. I heard he's still alive despite reports he was shot and killed by base security. Hope he gets everything he deserves. I wouldn't want to be his doctor.

[ben312]

naturally. but like i said... only people who have them are the MPs and gate guards, so someone who has one and isn't supposed to could probably get through a few magazines before an armed response shows up.

Thanks for clearing that up.

[Maluco]

Anybody see his name? I bet he did it for Allah.

That's racist Johnny Crusader