Five Sept. 11 Suspects to Face Trial in New York

[LBJefferies]

Oh goodie a product of our modern public school system an I assume uber liberal college professors.


Iraq= invaded a sovereign country (Kuwait) and threaten the Saudis that asked for our protection. 2ed time may have been trumped up some and I do agree the we really should not be there at the moment. But THEY DID/DO have WMD's We gave them to them in the 80's we still have the fucking receipts

Nam= the North invaded the south, The south asked for help in keeping their sovereignty. Only after the french left. The natives were trying to kick out the french (nam was a french colony for about 100 years) and got the help from the commies, then the commies decided to keep going.

Korea= Again the North invaded the south, The south asked for help in keeping their sovereignty.

The Indians yeah there was some bad shit that happened then as well. But you cant compare those times to modern Progressive Mind set for human rights. Besides if the indians had all the advantages they would have done just the same to everyone else.

wwII, how weren't they, The fire bombing of wood Japanese cities was as bad if not worse in human attrition than Little Boy or Fat Man. Do you even study history where you go to school???? Do you know the casualty rate of taking Okinawa???? If the main land was attacked the rate of attrition for both US/Allies and Japanese civilians and what remand of the military would have been unthinkable. Human wave attacks of women and children armed with pitch forks and kitchen knives. The possibility of the being bombed into extinction in a matter of days is why the japanese surrendered when they did.

Truman war crimes????? Are you just repeating what your America hating, its all our fault, white guilt pontificating teachers or Professors feed you????


Go talk to you aunts uncles and grand parents or any other Old people about those times, and really go to you local VFW hall and talk to the men and women that served in those wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn from the people that were there and listen to them about what happened there. Many of these people are about to be gone for good and their stories lost for ever. I was lucky I got to talk to my Great Gpa about his time in the trenches of France on the western front in WW I, My great uncle and Gpa about the European theater of WWII, both My G/F gpa's about Korea and my dad and many of his friends about Vietnam.

Wise up kid

There is debate about how many people would have died if we invaded Okinawa. There are all sorts of numbers from many different people and since it didn't actually happen its all just speculation. The point I was trying to make is that nukes are never justified. This is simply because of what they are and what they do and the fact that they have the power to render the human race extinct.

[blunttech]

you have to be fucking kidding me.

thats the scary part. hes serious. and the number one reason we are where we are today is retards like this douche are breeding more braindead retards. its no different than the ghetto mentality where 15yo single hocakes are raising the next generation of killers and robbers. every generation gets worse.

[blunttech]

Ok, well maybe I should make it clear that I am talking about our government and not the country specifically. I don't hate my country.

well your country hates you

[mrsleeve]

Oh goodie a product of our modern public school system an I assume uber liberal college professors.


Iraq= invaded a sovereign country (Kuwait) and threaten the Saudis that asked for our protection. 2ed time may have been trumped up some and I do agree the we really should not be there at the moment. But THEY DID/DO have WMD's We gave them to them in the 80's we still have the fucking receipts

Nam= the North invaded the south, The south asked for help in keeping their sovereignty. Only after the french left. The natives were trying to kick out the french (nam was a french colony for about 100 years) and got the help from the commies, then the commies decided to keep going.

Korea= Again the North invaded the south, The south asked for help in keeping their sovereignty.

The Indians yeah there was some bad shit that happened then as well. But you cant compare those times to modern Progressive Mind set for human rights. Besides if the indians had all the advantages they would have done just the same to everyone else.

wwII, how weren't they, The fire bombing of wood Japanese cities was as bad if not worse in human attrition than Little Boy or Fat Man. Do you even study history where you go to school???? Do you know the casualty rate of taking Okinawa???? If the main land was attacked the rate of attrition for both US/Allies and Japanese civilians and what remand of the military would have been unthinkable. Human wave attacks of women and children armed with pitch forks and kitchen knives. The possibility of the being bombed into extinction in a matter of days is why the japanese surrendered when they did.

Truman war crimes????? Are you just repeating what your America hating, its all our fault, white guilt pontificating teachers or Professors feed you????


Go talk to you aunts uncles and grand parents or any other Old people about those times, and really go to you local VFW hall and talk to the men and women that served in those wars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Learn from the people that were there and listen to them about what happened there. Many of these people are about to be gone for good and their stories lost for ever. I was lucky I got to talk to my Great Gpa about his time in the trenches of France on the western front in WW I, My great uncle and Gpa about the European theater of WWII, both My G/F gpa's about Korea and my dad and many of his friends about Vietnam.

Wise up kid

Iraq didn't provoke us, Vietnam didn't provoke us, Korea didn't provoke us, the Native American tribes didn't provoke us. Japan provoked us yes, but this doesn't justify the use of nuclear weapons. Nukes are NEVER justified. Truman should have been charged with crimes against humanity.

[transatlantic0207]

the luxuries that we, and our parents, and our grandparents enjoy and have taken advantage of are because of the 'evil' things our gov't has done.
Let's not forget my friend that we're in a global system and if you think we act unilaterally on anything you're horribly mistaken. So now that you know this, what are you going to do?

[ak-]

This thread isn't as cool/fun as the other political ones.
Ehh..

[LBJefferies]

so go to canada with massive and give up your passport....you talk as if you hate this country. Of course this country has done stupid shit, but so have the brits, french, italians, shit every civilization in recorded history and probably beyond has done nasty scary things to stay on top.....I am not justifying it (refer to my earlier post if you think otherwise), but I do understand the perspective on why certain things are done.

Ok, well maybe I should make it clear that I am talking about our government and not the country specifically. I don't hate my country.

[LBJefferies]

Yes you are correct, but look at the provocation that lead to 99% of it

Iraq didn't provoke us, Vietnam didn't provoke us, Korea didn't provoke us, the Native American tribes didn't provoke us. Japan provoked us yes, but this doesn't justify the use of nuclear weapons. Nukes are NEVER justified. Truman should have been charged with crimes against humanity and tried at Nuremberg with the Nazis.

[transatlantic0207]

so go to canada with massive and give up your passport....you talk as if you hate this country. Of course this country has done stupid shit, but so have the brits, french, italians, shit every civilization in recorded history and probably beyond has done nasty scary things to stay on top.....I am not justifying it (refer to my earlier post if you think otherwise), but I do understand the perspective on why certain things are done.

[mrsleeve]

Yes you are correct, but look at the provocation that lead to 99% of it

Nope. America has done some horrible, horrible shit and you are incredibly naive if you think otherwise.

[LBJefferies]

you have to be fucking kidding me.

Nope. America has done some horrible, horrible shit and you are incredibly naive if you think otherwise.

[Massive Lee]

you have to be fucking kidding me.

I sure wasn't. The 3000 civilian casualties in NYC was the first time Americans saw the result of a conflict on their own turf. Forgetting it happens daily on exported warfares. Let's stop this hypocricy. Everyone has blood on their hands. I am mourning the 3000 civilian deaths of 9/11, as much as the millions of innocent civilians in Nagasaki and Hiroshima, the tens of thousands of Vietnamese civilians that go napalmed, the thousands others that got "sprayed" with Agent Orange, as well as the 3000 innocent civilians killed in Afghanistan in the first two years of the invasion, directly from US bombing. War is not nice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualties_of_the_War_in_Afghanistan_%282001%E2%80%93present%29#Civilian_casualties_.282001-2003.29

[dvs909]

You're right, he is off topic but he makes a good point. This country is a giant hypocritical pile of shit. We think dropping nukes on Japan and incinerating hundreds of thousands of people was ok but when something similiar happens to us we some how hold the moral high ground.

you have to be fucking kidding me.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

UM No more people than you think are like us. Those of us that have made our own way or have been out long enough to have seen how things really are outside of college.

[LBJefferies]

theyre all out of the pacific NW. they must be cloning retards out that way

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you're the retarded one?