If you could move to another coultry - where would it be?

**kishg** · 12-09-2009, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by Iain

Lawl.

Firstly, guns aren't banned out here. You can still own a pretty serious hand gun/shot gun or rifle. There are also plenty of very active hunting/shooting clubs that go out into "the outback" (lawl x2) and shoot buffalo/feral cats/pigs/deer/camels.

We have violent crime, but not the kind that you guys have. You are mistaken if you think you need a gun to stop 50% of the criminals out here. Want to use a gun to defend yourself in a break-in? Chances are you'll get put on a manslaughter charge as the few people i've known who have had to confront a violent intruder have been able to see them off without resorting to weapons of any kind - and at worst you'll face a knife (which can easily be countered with a swingable weapon with long reach). Violent home invasions are rare and people being bashed to death can happen anywhere - the worst "criminal" deaths of late have been people in fights at nightclubs or outside pubs falling and hitting their heads.

Larger predators in the outback? How will an AK-47 help you against a snake? Crocs, Buffalo, feral pigs and cassowarys are something you could use a gun on but the crocs are a protected species and it's more common sense that you just don't go in areas they are likely to be. Call it "active Darwinism" if you will.

Crime rate stats are full of shit - 90% of the serious gun crime perpetrated in the last 10 years has been gangs and bikies having turf wars against each other, NOT people using firearms on innocents (like in armed robberies). On the most part, Australians are apathetic so if some hyped up scumbag starts waving a piece around and screaming "give me money so I can stick it up my arm" we'll just give it to them rather than going Rambo and defending the right to have $40 in our wallets.

I'm not saying we're a crime-free utopia - far from it- and we have some seriously fucked laws (censorship, road rules, etc) but NOBODY out here NEEDS to carry a gun as a means of self-defence (unless you're in a violent gang or a criminal).

Jeez you Yanks watch way too much Croc Dundee and Wolf Creek...

you mean you don't carry a large bush knife in your rucksack at all times and compare knife sizes on the interwebz?>

**Iain** · 12-09-2009, 05:56 PM

Originally posted by kishg

you mean you don't carry a large bush knife in your rucksack at all times and compare knife sizes on the interwebz?>

On my way here to post that* I fist-fought a snake, got bitten, had to get a koala to suck it out, then ride me pet kangaroo to hospital where a tribe of aborigines did a tribal dance to make me better before I sucked down a Foster's and went off with me dingo mate to go steal some babies.

* to post things on the internet from Australia we have to dictate to a wombat, who types it out on an old typewriter, gives it to a bandicoot (or numbat if you're in Western Australia) and they then take it to the beach where a cockatoo will fly it over to Hawaii where the nearest Internet station is. Once cocky gives each post to the Aussie Consulate over there, they're refulled with Fosters and sent back. True story.

**dirtysix** · 12-09-2009, 05:56 PM

Wolf creek's an awesome movie.

**dirtysix** · 12-09-2009, 06:01 PM

And besides, It's much more fun to beat someone to death than it is to shoot them.

**e34john** · 12-09-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by cochran

Living in Thailand right now, been here for one year, at least one year (maybe two) to go.

Lots of positives, lots of negatives. Difficult and time-consuming to get permanent residence status here.

Great weather this time of year, though!!

Are you there for work? I plan on going this summer maybe, have family in Bangkok.

I'd live in Thailand, or somewhere in the South Pacific. And just be lazy, and eat. Otherwise somewhere warm in South American and be lazy and eat.

**mrsleeve** · 12-09-2009, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by Iain

Lawl.
Firstly, guns aren't banned out here. You can still own a pretty serious hand gun/shot gun or rifle. There are also plenty of very active hunting/shooting clubs that go out into "the outback" (lawl x2) and shoot buffalo/feral cats/pigs/deer/camels.

Yeah no shit I know all that, I suppose a Ban was not the right word. I will give you that. Lets say severally restrict

Originally posted by Iain

We have violent crime, but not the kind that you guys have.

You have 21m people we have 300m You have 13 cites with over 100k people, there are over 40 in CA alone. Yeah your total numbers are lower, but your per capita numbers are similar to the USA

Originally posted by Iain

You are mistaken if you think you need a gun to stop 50% of the criminals out here. Want to use a gun to defend yourself in a break-in? Chances are you'll get put on a manslaughter charge

You dont see any issues with that???

Originally posted by Iain

as the few people i've known who have had to confront a violent intruder have been able to see them off without resorting to weapons of any kind - and at worst you'll face a knife (which can easily be countered with a swingable weapon with long reach). Violent home invasions are rare and people being bashed to death can happen anywhere - the worst "criminal" deaths of late have been people in fights at nightclubs or outside pubs falling and hitting their heads.

Yeah and you cant be maimed or killed by a knife:roll: . A swing able weapon means you have to get with in the red zone of the crazy guy with the knife. Killed with a knife gun or pillow still = dead.

Originally posted by Iain

Larger predators in the outback? How will an AK-47 help you against a snake? Crocs, Buffalo, feral pigs and cassowarys are something you could use a gun on but the crocs are a protected species and it's more common sense that you just don't go in areas they are likely to be. Call it "active Darwinism" if you will.

UM protected or not if its attacking you, and you can, YOU KILL IT. No while I concur you do what you can to stay away from said animals, but when you live in the sticks or enjoy the out doors and the back country you may run into said critters. Ferrel pigs are dangerous as all hell, I would rather shoot the snake out of his striking range than to risk getting close to it and get bitten.

Originally posted by Iain

Crime rate stats are full of shit - 90% of the serious gun crime perpetrated in the last 10 years has been gangs and bikies having turf wars against each other, NOT people using firearms on innocents (like in armed robberies). On the most part, Australians are apathetic so if some hyped up scumbag starts waving a piece around and screaming "give me money so I can stick it up my arm" we'll just give it to them rather than going Rambo and defending the right to have $40 in our wallets.

Ahhh what do you think the bulk of our gun crime stats stem from???? And whats to say that after you give them the 40 bucks they wont kill you any for the fun of it????

Originally posted by Iain

I'm not saying we're a crime-free utopia - far from it- and we have some seriously fucked laws (censorship, road rules, etc) but NOBODY out here NEEDS to carry a gun as a means of self-defence (unless you're in a violent gang or a criminal).

Jeez you Yanks watch way too much Croc Dundee and Wolf Creek...

I will concur with this you have some fucked up laws and restricting ones ability to defend your self from harm at the hand of others and punishing one for doing so is the biggest crime of all. It goes against the most basic freedoms of your RIGHTS to LIFE

Edit: I love your guys national net nanny, you guys have something in common with red china. I bet you just have to say all that stuff, or the net nanny wont let you post it right????

**Iain** · 12-09-2009, 06:45 PM