Was Harry S. Truman a War Crimminal?

[LBJefferies]

hOmes you are a stupid fuck. We dropped on Japan in 45, the Truman doctrine was 47 in regards to the way the russinas were acting, and the know facts they were developing one of their own. The did not put a big hole in siberia till 1949. Your a dumb one arent you

Wtf are you talking about? Seriously your posts are all just gibberish. The only reason anyone likes you around here is because you just nod your head and agree. Eat a dick sleeve.

[Farbin Kaiber]

I am glad our little PM convo came to fruition in this thread, way better than just making a post in the other one.

[mrsleeve]

hOmes you are a stupid fuck. We dropped on Japan in 45, the Truman doctrine was 47 in regards to the way the russinas were acting, and the know facts they were developing one of their own. The did not put a big hole in siberia till 1949. Your a dumb one arent you



WOW thank you PB&J I was assuming that I was gonna have to all the correcting of hOlmes.

Thank you.

hOlmes shut the fuck up, you really have no concept of history at all. Read some books before you come after people that know a little bit about it.

[LBJefferies]

Again, your dates are off.
The Truman Doctrine was crafted in 1947.
Hiroshima bomb was dropped in 1945.

Get your dates and background information right before bringing a new argument to the table.

Your dates are off too. You said yourself that they didn't test their first bomb until 1949.

Maybe you should get your dates and background info right before saying that the Soviets weren't a threat. Everybody knows that the Soviets were considered a post war threat even before the war was over.

[pbr87]

If they weren't a threat then what was the Truman Doctrine all about?

Again, your dates are off.
The Truman Doctrine was crafted in 1947.
Hiroshima bomb was dropped in 1945.

Get your dates and background information right before bringing a new argument to the table.

[pbr87]

shouldn't you be protesting american soldiers funerals?

I saw that coming.

where did you go to highschool?? (rhetorical question)

Hey guys, wanna watch me piss off Holmes? 8)

ok here goes: Holmes/Jefferies, your above statement perfectly exemplifies the mindset/though process of all hard core liberals. You will change history and facts to your liking so that it can better serve your opinions.

That war was not already won. I won't even provide facts to disprove your statement, just read any history book.

The threat of invasion would absolutely not have swayed the Japs in the least. If you knew anything about the Japanese during WWII you would know that every last Japanese was told/trained to fight to the death. This is the leftover mentality of Bushido. Women and children were flinging themselves off of cliffs so that they would not be captured by the enemy. Read about Iwo Jima. Japan would have been just another Iwo Jima invasion times a thousand.

Dropping the bombs was not "pointless", because obviously because of the bombs, the Japanese surrendered, therefore not pointless. Grisly, sick, and horrible, yes of course, but not pointless as you say.

Damn, LBJeffries just got OWNED! Maybe she'll cry herself to sleep tonight.

[LBJefferies]

They weren't at the time.
They were our allies throughout WWII.
Not to mention, they didn't test their first nuclear bomb until 1949.....four years after the bombs were dropped in Japan.

So, explain to us again how they were a threat in 1945?
I haven't yet seen either a factual or sensible answer from you.

If they weren't a threat then what was the Truman Doctrine all about?

[iamsam]

It is different because nuclear weapons have the ability to wipe out every spec of life on this planet. By dropping them on Japan, the oh so holy and moral America, has justified their use.

An AK-47 has the ability to wipe out every speck of life on the planet, given enough ammo. (well, not microscopic life...)

Likewise firebombs can wipe out every speck of life, given enough bombing, the same way atom bombs can wipe out every speck of life, given enough bombs.

[Dozyproductions]

The Soviets were not considered a threat at that time, they had a technologicly inferior military in the mid-40s.

Soviets were considered a real threat even before we made a couple of pacts with them. We never fully trusted them and they never fully trusted us. Our alliance was at first optimistic only because of its convenience.

They weren't nearly as weak as people assume after WWII. People still adored Stalin after he killed 20 million of his own people. Fighting them at the end of WWII would of been harder than invading Japan imo.

[gazellebeigem3]

^ he will just contend that american history books are biased to justify our actions...etc.


homeless is just proof that you cant fix stupid.

[iamsam]

The war was already won before the bombs were dropped. The threat of invasion was plenty to force the Japs to surrender. The bombs being dropped was pointless and only served the purpose of flexing our muscles at the Soviets.

where did you go to highschool?? (rhetorical question)

Hey guys, wanna watch me piss off Holmes? 8)

ok here goes: Holmes/Jefferies, your above statement perfectly exemplifies the mindset/thought process of all hard core liberals. You will change history and facts to your liking so that it can better serve your opinions.

That war was not already won. I won't even provide facts to disprove your statement, just read any history book.

The threat of invasion would absolutely not have swayed the Japs in the least. If you knew anything about the Japanese during WWII you would know that every last Japanese was told/trained to fight to the death. This is the leftover mentality of Bushido. Women and children were flinging themselves off of cliffs so that they would not be captured by the enemy. Read about Iwo Jima. Japan would have been just another Iwo Jima invasion times a thousand.

Dropping the bombs was not "pointless", because obviously because of the bombs, the Japanese surrendered, therefore not pointless. Grisly, sick, and horrible, yes of course, but not pointless as you say.

[gazellebeigem3]

It is different because nuclear weapons have the ability to wipe out every spec of life on this planet. By dropping them on Japan, the oh so holy and moral America, has justified their use.

shouldn't you be protesting american soldiers funerals?

[pbr87]

Haha the Soviets weren't a threat? Haha

They weren't at the time.
They were our allies throughout WWII.
Not to mention, they didn't test their first nuclear bomb until 1949.....four years after the bombs were dropped in Japan.

So, explain to us again how they were a threat in 1945?
I haven't yet seen either a factual or sensible answer from you.

[LBJefferies]

Oh and by the way, it is no different than the RAF bombing the dog crap out of Berlin and Dredson and Munich at night, and the USAF fire-bombing Tokyo, and the Luftwaffe bombing London...

...just because the a-bombs used a more effecient transfer of energy, doesn't make it any more morally unjust. War is a terrable human action, no matter who does it or why or how effecient.

It is different because nuclear weapons have the ability to wipe out every spec of life on this planet. By dropping them on Japan, the oh so holy and moral America, has justified their use.

[SpecM]

Oh and by the way, it is no different than the RAF bombing the dog crap out of Berlin and Dredson and Munich at night, and the USAF fire-bombing Tokyo, and the Luftwaffe bombing London...

...just because the a-bombs used a more effecient transfer of energy, doesn't make it any more morally unjust. War is a terrable human action, no matter who does it or why or how effecient.