My ex-Gov is still at it....

[hugh jass]

democrats andf liberals are scared to death of palin cause she resonates with middle america. if she wasn't such a big threat, they'd ignore her.
and anyone who still believes obama has the credentials to lead this great nation should be ashamed. the man is clearly in over his head and is the biggest partisan hack to ever be potus.
the fucker looked america in the eye and flat out lied to get elected, which is more than enough for me to never trust him on anything ever again

it was you or armond who called mccains choice of palin 'brilliant' in the 2002faq ot right after he announced her as his pick. i wish i could find that post.
if you honestly believe she has a chance in hell of getting the nomination in 2012, you are delusional. she is way too polarizing to get wide ranging republican support. she appeals to a very vocal, passionate minority in the party and thats it.

[TheB1G Lebowski]

this.

I wanted Romney to get the Republican ticket.

It would have been much better for the Republican party. Oh well guess they know best. lol.

[LBJefferies]

democrats andf liberals are scared to death of palin cause she resonates with middle america. if she wasn't such a big threat, they'd ignore her.
and anyone who still believes obama has the credentials to lead this great nation should be ashamed. the man is clearly in over his head and is the biggest partisan hack to ever be potus.
the fucker looked america in the eye and flat out lied to get elected, which is more than enough for me to never trust him on anything ever again

The only reason I am scared to death of her is because she is a bible thumping fundamentalist and I know that there are a large number of people in this country stupid enough to vote for her.

[mar1t1me]

So, if I sum things up for you, you hate her because she is religious. So much for tolerance.

I never said I was tolerant.

I bet if she were Muslim, you'd be OK with it.

No. I think all religious people are somewhat delusional. I do get torqued when people lump all Islamic believers in with terrorists. That's just bullshit.

I bet if she supported state funded abortions and supported same sex marriage, but had all the rest of her political convictions exactly the same, that you'd think she was a bang-up good candidate for president. Don't be so shallow.

I don't care if fags get married all day long. They don't procreate! Besides, I bet fags hardly ever need abortions! LOL Unlike the ignorant breeders around here who can't figure out how to use birth control.

By the way, her view of creationism is that science is right about the timeline. They just attribute the creation of things to God.

There's the problem. The Bible is a 2000+ year old attempt to explain things based on 2000+ year old intelligence. In other words, it is no longer a relevant platform from which to explain creation. You DO know nearly every religion has a creation myth, a savior myth, and a virgin birth myth and an end times myth?

The liberals and democrats hate her because she is religious and she is a successful person who also happens to be a devoted mother. That contradicts everything that liberals stand for. In the views of the liberal elite, any successful woman should be a man hating vegan with lesbian tendencies who thinks that christians are a bigger threat to the world than radical islamists and that the reason for the worlds problems falls squarely on corporate America, US Imperialism, and US slavery.

Quite a rant!

The problem with christians is they seem just as willing to go down the path of holy war as the Islamic militants! Palin herself said war with Iraq was part of God's plan! A holy war, IOW.

[Hallen]

The only reason I am scared to death of her is because she is a bible thumping fundamentalist and I know that there are a large number of people in this country stupid enough to vote for her.

I never said I was tolerant.



No. I think all religious people are somewhat delusional. I do get torqued when people lump all Islamic believers in with terrorists. That's just bullshit.




I don't care if fags get married all day long. They don't procreate! Besides, I bet fags hardly ever need abortions! LOL Unlike the ignorant breeders around here who can't figure out how to use birth control.



There's the problem. The Bible is a 2000+ year old attempt to explain things based on 2000+ year old intelligence. In other words, it is no longer a relevant platform from which to explain creation. You DO know nearly every religion has a creation myth, a savior myth, and a virgin birth myth and an end times myth?



Quite a rant!

The problem with christians is they seem just as willing to go down the path of holy war as the Islamic militants! Palin herself said war with Iraq was part of God's plan! A holy war, IOW.

Notice I used the term radical islamists to indicate that the true nut cases are not the same as your average Muslim. I don't group them together.

That's just the whole point people, just because a person is religious, does not mean they are delusion, dangerous, or going to try and force you to accept their religion. That's an irrational standpoint. mar1t1me, you get picky with me because you think I am lumping all Muslims in the with terrorist, I wasn't. Yet you seem to lump all christians together as delusional and therefore dangerous. That's not very logical.

And Holmes, we KNOW, there are enough idiots in the US to elect an unqualified, radical, unethical, lying, nobody simply because he looks good, is purportedly black, and reads from a teleprompter pretty well. Obama is far more dangerous than somebody like Palin will ever be. You just don't know enough to understand that.

Second, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of faith. 99% of the religious people out there KNOW that God cannot be proven scientifically. To argue that God is irrelevant because of scientific discovery is irrelevant in the first place. Most educated christians accept the science. They just have a bit extra that tells them that God exists. It's belief. You have beliefs too that can be argued to be totally belief or faith based.

Take any complicated physics question. For example, you believe that E=MC^2 is fundamentally correct. You believe that, you don't know that. You can't do the math to get you there in the first place. You take it on faith that the current physics community is right. So, by your definition, you are delusional. Yes, I understand that science can be tested and there are ways of verifying a lot of things. But that isn't really the point. You don't know if the test they used is even valid because you don't understand the first thing about the actual science behind it. You take it on faith.

I am not religious and I don't support churches and evangelical and bible thumpers make me extremely uncomfortable too. I choose to not be around those folks. But I have many friends who are quietly religious and don't force their views on anybody. It's stupid to assume that religious=delusional.

And the last point "Palin herself said war with Iraq was part of God's plan!" Of course it is. If you believe in God, and something is happening, then it is part of God's plan. She didn't say that God directed it to happen. She didn't say God told us to attack. What she was saying, in her confusing religious way, was that we were right to go into Iraq. That's an opinion.

So lay off the obviously biased lambasting that you see out there. If you don't like her position on the issues and you don't think she has the skills or the fortitude to be President, fine that's all valid. But to believe all this worthless crap about her religion is just, well, deluded.

[gwb72tii]

the highly educated arrogant fat fuck elite liberals in this country, whose every idea is being rejected by the majority of americans, are scared of her because she exposes them for who they are and is not afraid call a spade a spade
she doesn't play politics the way the old boys play politics
like it or not, al lot of americans like her for it
whether or not she can parlay it into potus will be interesting to watch
the majority of americans hate democrats
they also hate republicans

[CharlesDickens]

the highly educated arrogant fat fuck elite liberals in this country, whose every idea is being rejected by the majority of americans, are scared of her because she exposes them for who they are and is not afraid call a spade a spade
she doesn't play politics the way the old boys play politics
like it or not, al lot of americans like her for it
whether or not she can parlay it into potus will be interesting to watch
the majority of americans hate democrats
they also hate republicans

To set the record straight, most liberals are "fat fuck elites" because if they were only that, the party couldn't expand from its base to get popular support. And most Americans are democrats. That's why a democrat is elected to office. Just keeping the diatribe reasonable.

[gwb72tii]

To set the record straight, most liberals are "fat fuck elites" because if they were only that, the party couldn't expand from its base to get popular support. And most Americans are democrats. That's why a democrat is elected to office. Just keeping the diatribe reasonable.

my target is the leadership of the democrat party
and your statement that most americans are democrats is frankly absurd
there are many reasons obama was elected (not being bush was #1), but most americans were duped into voting for him.
apparently there is a considerable backlash politically for governing the way he is and lying

http://www.gallup.com/poll/124958/Conservatives-Finish-2009-No-1-Ideological-Group.aspx

[mbonder]

Some of you guys need to start being more specific, because its rather funny to read someone make a general statement (And most Americans are democrats. That's why a democrat is elected to office.), only to have the next guy make an equally general statement (but most americans were duped into voting for him.).

The point is that the original statement should have read "A majority of Americans voted democrat in the last election." You can't argue with that because that's how elections work, the winner carries the majority (at least in a two party system, I know there are pluralities, etc, but that's not necessary here).

The second statement really should be qualified, in what way I don't know. There really isn't quantifiable data to support such a claim, and actually makes your argument weaker because of such lack of evidence.

My feeling is that Palin is actually good for America. I say this not because I'm a Republican (actually I have almost always voted Democrat, not that Obama is doing a great job right now I'll admit), but because she gets people thinking differently from the norm. I hope that at some point in my lifetime we can see the rise of a third party in American politics, because as some have pointed out earlier in this discussion, the major players from both parties seem to ride a moderate path eventually in an effort to garner the most votes. This leads to a lot of bland, heard-it-before bullshit in my opinion.

I'm not saying that Palin will lead the rise of a third party, but people like her (outgoing, charismatic, outspoken), do have the potential to pull at the heartstrings of millions of people that are tired of the usual politics. Not since Teddy Roosevelt ran as a third party candidate at the beginning of the last century have we had a third party that had an impact, I'd like to see it happen.

Palin isn't for everyone, but you've got to be intrigued by the support she's gotten and what that could mean...

[Massive Lee]

I'm not saying that Palin will lead the rise of a third party, but people like her (outgoing, charismatic, outspoken...

Outgoing Charismatic Outspoken

C'mon. She's as stupid and ignorant as a human can possibly be.

The whole world laughed at her stupidity. Just because she has the support from religious groups doesn't make her fit for the job. She'll be remembered for her sight of Russia and "Who's Naylin' Pailin?"

[gwb72tii]

Outgoing Charismatic Outspoken

C'mon. She's as stupid and ignorant as a human can possibly be.

The whole world laughed at her stupidity. Just because she has the support from religious groups doesn't make her fit for the job. She'll be remembered for her sight of Russia and "Who's Naylin' Pailin?"

funny how you could be so 180* from reality lee
seems to be a habit though when it comes to the USA political scene

LOL