France shows some spine

[HarryPotter]

You know what's funny? Reading threads like this on an E30 site largely populated by kids who haven't moved out of their parent's houses yet.

Carry on.

And? I don't see what this has to do with anything. Life is expensive.

[mar1t1me]

^^^^I actually think it was intended as a back-handed compliment.

[mrsleeve]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

yeah I think thats what he was getting at, all though I moved outta my parents basement at 17.


Wow again, WTF is going on hell freezing over.


Yes that's exactly how it was intended, the brand has nothing to do with it, just that you are a good moral citizen and respect others. And yes islam hates all the judeo Christan denominations, thanks to the crusades, they know how to hold a fucking grudge. You have to remember while Islam is tolerant of Christians in the holy land, historically non Muslims could not own property, have any say in the community and had to pay big taxes.

as to the nieces kids, the hypocrisy of modern religious bible thumping nuts is amazing to me, I am working with one of those born again saved guys. Its annoying

I believe the Fathers of this country felt that if people could exist in a situation where one's religion wasn't more or less mandated, but rather open to choice and that said choice was reflective of a desire to live harmoniously and with personal accountability, that the brand of religion wasn't so important.

The (fundamental) Muslims believe quite differently. The brand IS everything.

Of course, then there's my Evangelical Christian niece who let her daughter get fake boobs at 17 so she could enter beauty pageants, but complains that the two piece pageant suits are "too revealing"....

[VacMan]

^^^^I actually think it was intended as a back-handed compliment.

You are correct sir.

[HarryPotter]

You are correct sir.

Ah, forgive me for my ignorant ways that I have bestowed upon you.

[Aptyp]

There have a been a few local situations that have upsetted many Montrealers lately. The town of Outremont has a large concentration of Hassidic jews. They are not difficult to spot as they always wear their "signature" gear. There are a few public parks in Outremont where all non-Hassidics spend some time in Summer, especially when it is hot. And some girls sometimes wear bikinis, which is perfectly legal. Until the Hassidics made it to townhall and declared bikinis in parks... illegal. It was beyond their acceptation.

Another situation involved the Hassidics inability to operate any man-made machinery on Saturdays. Be it a light switch or a car. So, they made a bylaw that forbids emoving snow on Staurday as it would require Hassidics to drive their cat to move it... Whic infuriated "locals" as they have to suffer a few extra days being stuck in snow after a snowstorm.

Not to mention that Hassidics have mandated that the local WMCA put some blurred vinyl on windows where women have their yoga classes. Because not too far, kids at the synagogue could peek at them and have impure thoughts....

I am all for freedom of religion. But totally against imposing it to others. Live your religion at home, and according to local laws and habits. Meaning nobody can beat or kill her wife because of ethnic believes... Wether being a Red Neck or an Indu, or a teenage-fucking Mormon.

I am a jew and hassidics piss me off. All fundamentalists need to be gathered and thrown on an island somewhere in the pacific where they can all kill each other.

[mar1t1me]

Utterly fucking ridiculous. What's next? Osama-Ken-Laden "blow-up" dolls?

[Nic01101011]

I remain humble, because I still am quite young to have Full understanding of government, and other political goals due to lack of experience. I take everything I hear with a grain of salt, and try not to judge cons vs liberals etc..
I stand corrected for the Separation of church and state, and I am glad you pointed out to me the flaws in the information I knew. For some reason I was under the impression that the U.S. was founded on keeping religion out of government, and the freedoms of the constitution were the supporting reasons to get the hell out of britain, taxes, freedoms etc..
However I did know that the government did circle it's laws around the Judeo Christian values, because they are quite standard as you said (especially at the time of the creation of the constitution). But I thought that was just because of people's, personal beliefs (due to religious upbringing), not Because of the direct affect from the bible if that makes sense.

Now, I Thought that also no laws could be created because of religion too? if that's right? therefore no laws can be created against religion?

As for the Womens right vs the religious rights, I was just stating that in the US a woman could get out of her thingy, and have no problems, it would only be within her religion that she would be punished, and it would be interesting to see how that pans out.

you're young and humble; most important thing is to ignore just about all of what these guys have to say.

[mrsleeve]

you're young and humble; most important thing is to ignore just about all of what these guys have to say.

why is that?????

there is some very good info that goes back and forth in these kinds of threads, if you can sort through all the BS

[Ryan Stewart]

Its illogical to ban it being worn in public but you can mandate it be removed for identification purposes. Banning it in public is making a subjective law (similar to the person covering up from cold) that would vary greatly in enforcement based on how big of a bigot the cop is.

However, you could (and should) give employer exemptions from being forced to hire these individuals. Simply call it a job requirement that you dont creep the fuck out of the customers.

[Massive Lee]

Hmm... I wonder what would happen if I dressed as a Ninja and walked in any US downtown street or showed up at the airport.

[ldsbeaker]

teenage-fucking Mormon.

I assume you're referring to Warren Jeffs and his um, followers.
They are most assuredly NOT Mormons, or in any way associated with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I think we can all agree that his behavior is reprehensible, and that he is a predator.
My point is, I don't know what to call him, but he is definitely not, even in the loosest of definitions, a Mormon.
Thanks. Adam

Back to your regularly scheduled socio-politico-religious argument.

[Restoman]

I'll just say that I hope France passes some sort of legislation. The Muslims are out of control.

[Massive Lee]

Actually, Mormons are a great exemple of religious right having precedent over civil laws.

Polygamy is a crime in North America.
For Mormons it is a religious right.

Pedophily is a crime in North America.
For Mormons it is a religious right.

In the case of pedophily, Mormons may argue they don't perform it, but if they marry 12 year old girls, something tells me it's happening.

The same "legal vs religious rights" battle is also happening with a group of Mormons in British Columbia.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/polygamy/polygamy65.html

[ldsbeaker]

Actually, Mormons are a great exemple of religious right having precedent over civil laws.

The same "legal vs religious rights" battle is also happening with a group of Mormons in British Columbia.

http://www.rickross.com/reference/po...olygamy65.html

These guys are the same as the Jeffs "clan". The press may call them Mormons, but as I said; not affiliated with the LDS Church in ANY way.
I won't belabor this any more, just want to emphasize my position. I do not condone that behavior, it is not in accordance with the teachings of the LDS Church or the laws of the land, and, on a personal note, I think these people are wack jobs and give the term "Mormon" a negative connotation. They are NOT Mormons, or rather, the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints does not recognize them as members of the church or in any way affiliated with us.
Okay, I'm on a car forum now. Bye!