Obama State of the Union

[ck_taft325is]

I'm trying to stay out of most of this (and chances are I won't be back unless something intellectual shows up), and perhaps this isn't the right thread, but the rolleyes caught me on this one.

The woman does not believe in evolution. She doesn't think that man evolved from "monkeys who eventually swung down from the trees." If you look at all the evidence - and this is not some outrageous, anecdotal example - and realllly don't believe in evolution, then you clearly lack the ability to apply critical thinking to issues in general. For Christ's sake (pun not intended but not removed), she's even declared herself a young earth creationist (and, to be fair, backpedaled from it)!

Someone of such incompetence is not fit for office. Period.

And to fucking drive the nail home, you narrow-minded fuckstick, your lovely President Obama is a LIFE LONG Church go-er. So pick your poison, retard... A. Obama is not fit for office (by your own admission of criteria) or B. He's a lying pile of fucking shit that sucks off the idiot vote and will say, do, smile, laugh, frown at anything to get himself votes i.e. power. Which in it's basic form, a lust for/of power is putrid acid for a society.

Not only did Sleeve hand you your ass by exposing you to be the problem of all religion (Christianity, Satanism, Paganism, Evolution, etc etc...), you've done a fine damn job of looking down your giant nose at everyone who has an opinion that differs from your own. Get off your fucking high horse.

[jeff_b]

The amount of physical evidence supporting the theory of evolution would barely fill a hallway closet. Scientists have recently admitted that an as-yet undetermined "event" began the homo sapiens species we know and love today. It's too far of a reach genetically, according to my recollection. Sounds kin to evolution, I reckon.

[Anthrax]

It´s funny how evolution is only questioned in the US.
Over here in europe? Not very much. Wonder why....

[mrsleeve]

do you really want to go there?????


I am a firm supporter of evolution, but srsly you want to go there???

[Anthrax]

Not really, as it wouldn´t solve anything.
It´s just that the only place I ever heard anyone say that evolution is a lie, is from americans.
Or from some religious cult.

I´m not an atheist, but it annoys me when people disregard things because it doesn´t fit into a book written 2000 years ago.

[ck_taft325is]

Not really, as it wouldn´t solve anything.
It´s just that the only place I ever heard anyone say that evolution is a lie, is from americans.
Or from some religious cult.

I´m not an atheist, but it annoys me when people disregard things because it doesn´t fit into a book written 2000 years ago.

Yeah it annoys me too when people push their religion on me... Evolution included.

And there's this place called the Middle East.

[Jean]

Not really, as it wouldn´t solve anything.
It´s just that the only place I ever heard anyone say that evolution is a lie, is from americans.
Or from some religious cult.

I´m not an atheist, but it annoys me when people disregard things because it doesn´t fit into a book written 2000 years ago.

In God We Trust




In God We Trust



In God We Trust

[Anthrax]

I think I agree in a way. I don´t really like it when people americans refer to as "evolutionists", say "there is no God", just as much as religious people say there is one. Who the fuck knows.

[Anthrax]

In God We Trust

It makes me wonder if it would say the same, if the pilgrims that settled on Plymouth happened to be presbyterian instead of puritan.

[Hallen]

I'm trying to stay out of most of this (and chances are I won't be back unless something intellectual shows up), and perhaps this isn't the right thread, but the rolleyes caught me on this one.

The woman does not believe in evolution. She doesn't think that man evolved from "monkeys who eventually swung down from the trees." If you look at all the evidence - and this is not some outrageous, anecdotal example - and realllly don't believe in evolution, then you clearly lack the ability to apply critical thinking to issues in general. For Christ's sake (pun not intended but not removed), she's even declared herself a young earth creationist (and, to be fair, backpedaled from it)!

Someone of such incompetence is not fit for office. Period.

It's this kind of thinking that really does tick me off. It's bigotry, plain and simple. So many intellectual wannabes are such hypocrites. I think its hilarious. They don't even see the contradiction in their positions. The leftist radicals have whooped up such a shit-storm about religious people that weak minded, green necks think that it's OK to discriminate against religious people.

Also, most of her more outlandish religious beliefs, well, they aren't her beliefs. That the stuff I talked about before. Most of it was dreamed up by leftist bloggers who plainly state they're making it up, but somehow, it kept getting repeated and suddenly, it's a fact.

Now, lets talk about critical thinking.
Obama believes, heart and soul, that government spending and greatly increasing the monetary supply can pull an economy out of a recession.
The fact is, it can't. Not even Keynes believed that it could. It's a political bastardization of his theories.

However, there are still groups of economists and a whole lot of politicians, who believe that it can work. They refuse to even consider any other path since anything else would fly in the face of what they believe in; what they have faith in.

Basically, it's like this. Your heart and circulatory system is the economy. The Fed is stupid and starts you on an IV of blood because he thinks it will make you better. All that extra blood causes your heart to work harder and now your veins are stretched to the max. But he keeps pumping more in. Now your veins are so full that your heart just can't push any more out there, so it quits. Obama's answer is to start pumping blood into you using a high pressure pump. Your heart isn't beating, but the pressure moves the blood a little keeping you alive. Unfortunately, your veins are now rupturing and blood is spurting everywhere and your heart still isn't beating. Now Obama claims his high pressure blood healed you. Take away that high pressure now, and you die. But the funny thing is, if you just let the extra blood drain away, and the pressures to drop, the heart will be able to take the load and it will start up again. All without having to do anything extreme.

So, in other words, you can't heal something by increasing the actions that made it sick in the first place. Yet that is the policy that Obama follows.

It's folly, pure and simple. It's a belief in something that doesn't work. They believe it, therefore it must be true. Wow, yep, that's good critical thinking, isn't it? We should vote for a guy who thinks like that.

I don't really care if a politician believes in evolution or not. It isn't relevant to governing. But I damned sure care how they approach the economy because that has a direct and lasting affect on all of us. Obama fails miserably on economic terms. He slavishly follows a set of assumptions that were proven false years ago. I would argue that it's HIS lack of critical thinking that is the problem. He is just as much of a faith driven fanatic as Jim Jones, and like Jim Jones, he is afraid to examine his beliefs because he knows the truths there will destroy him.

[Danny]

So, in other words, you can't heal something by increasing the actions that made it sick in the first place.

Four words: Hair of the dog.

[Hallen]

Four words: Hair of the dog.

lol, that's not a cure, that just perpetuates condition so you don't have to feel the after-affects. Sooner or later, you'll have to face the consequences.

But that was funny. I think I may just get drunk and see how long I can stay that way. Think I can go three more years?

[Bill 84 318i]

Oh, fellas. I said I wouldn't reply unless something intellectual comes up and here you go proving me wrong. Perhaps I came across as more vitriolic than I intended, and for that I apologize. Going through the first seven pages of this thread, I thought I might be able to discard sensitivity.

So, here. I brought up one point. I didn't bring up Obama, or his ideals, or how they might be interpreted as religion, or anything like that. If you thought that what I brought up was arrogant, then I apologize again. Please, be objective.

I never once said that people don't have the right to believe what they want. Ever. When people exercise that right, whether it be a popular version of Christianity or Sikhism or Tenrikyo or the Flying Spaghetti monster, help yourself. I'm all for the Article 6 in that respect. Honest. I'll be the first to acknowledge that it does a lot of good in the world - as an example, most recovering addicts that I know needed their own personal form of a higher power to assist them.

But I think that religion and the pros/cons of it in general is, though related, a different topic than what I would hope people would look for in leadership. I think you're missing my point.

I look at things that there are evidence of and base my "belief" on that. And I expect the same of the people that are in control of this nation. Whether religious or not, (and it is a grey area - young earth creationists are far different than people that dance on the ID line) I expect intellect and critical thinking and open-mindedness from people of power. Some may argue that Obama hasn't reached across the aisle enough and that's a different topic than I'm addressing.

Regardless of whether I'm right or wrong - I expect at least an intellectual response, not for you all to take immediate offense. If that's your initial reaction, then it's sad that it's all that you have left.

[Bill 84 318i]

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I'm honestly eager to hear your side - I fully acknowledge not being an expert on economics or politics. So I ask that you don't take my questions as facetious or condescending. To be fair, I only quoted her once, and it was out of a book that she wrote - I don't believe I took anything unfairly out of context. And I don't think that I criticized her outside of that context, either.

I think that your circulatory system analogy is a bit dramatic, so much that I didn't bother to follow it. It was even more vague. Please don't condescend and speak in metaphors, and trust me that I'm intelligent enough to follow. I may not even disagree! Though I don't know why you're countering my Palin/Creationsim argument with a discussion of big government.

I do think that a person's position on creationism/evolution is indicative of their ability to rationalize and solve problems, and I won't step back from that. I welcome any arguments on this.

[ck_taft325is]

I'm honestly eager to hear your side - I fully acknowledge not being an expert on economics or politics. So I ask that you don't take my questions as facetious or condescending. To be fair, I only quoted her once, and it was out of a book that she wrote - I don't believe I took anything unfairly out of context. And I don't think that I criticized her outside of that context, either.

I think that your circulatory system analogy is a bit dramatic, so much that I didn't bother to follow it. It was even more vague. Please don't condescend and speak in metaphors, and trust me that I'm intelligent enough to follow. I may not even disagree! Though I don't know why you're countering my Palin/Creationsim argument with a discussion of big government.

I do think that a person's position on creationism/evolution is indicative of their ability to rationalize and solve problems, and I won't step back from that. I welcome any arguments on this.

C.S. Lewis once wrote:

"No man who says I'm as good as you believes it. He would not say it if he did. The St. Bernard never says to the toy dog, nor the scholar to the dunce, nor the employable to the bum, nor the pretty woman to the plain. The claim to equality, outside of the strictly political field, is made only those who feel themselves to be in some way inferior. What it expresses is precisely the itching, smarting, writhing awareness of an inferiority which the patient (you) refuses to accept."

You seem to make a point of how intelligent you are, at the expense of everyone else. I don't even think you believe it when you say it.

The fact about Creationism/Evolution, even "dancing on the ID line", one has to accept that no one truly knows. Which just eventually bleeds into a system or series of beliefs which would make an individual feel as though he is better, or smarter or more enlightened than the next or than someone of the adjacent view point. The fact that you prop yourself up, as much more learned, self-righteous, condescending and despite all of everything you are, you're just a mild regurgitation of what has already been said by both sides. You bull headedly pigeon hole everyone or anyone that doesn't line up with your "facts" as weak minded. Or how did you put it so humbly? "...indicative of their ability to rationalize and solve problems". Not only this, but you go onto say how you wont budge nor change your stance.

While you're enlightened, or more versed, or better learned on any number of subjects, you would willingly if not enthusiastically lay blame for all the worlds problems at those not in line with your flagrant sense of what is. When I see religion and everyone of it's evil, nasty connotations, I see you.

I'll sum this up in the weak minded and lesser ability to solve problems since I believe in God...

Go fuck yourself.