Colorado Gun Laws - Dey takin mie gunz fruhm skool

[mrsleeve]

This thread has realy opened up my eyes on this issue I'm pretty sure California has one of the highest crime rates and ccw isn't legal right? But it also has to do with the poverty and all that shit we have here. So if it were legal to carry a gun would Californias crime rate go down or up?

fer serious or you just being sarcastic ???? My sarcasm meeter is out for recalibration this week end

The Peoples Republik of CA will issue CCW permits, they are more restrictive and harder to get than in the free states, the PRCA will not recognize but a few other states permits. That coupled with the draconian gun laws that just restrict a weapon because of what it looks like.

You also have a very very high population that are scared of guns, because your media and politicians constantly demonize an inanimate object and promote that fear. They coddle the criminal and blame the gun.

The only thing you have to remember is that you dont have to fear the gun you have to be scared of the fucker that pulls the trigger. If he wants to kill you, he dose not need that gun to do so, he can do it with stick and a rock if he wants to.

Look no further than the UK after the confiscations, Knife crime went way up, and then then they imposed a knife ban (or at least considered it I cant remember off the top of my head)

When you strip away a free mans ability and right to defend him self, form any and all threats, he is no longer free, he becomes nothing more than a subject of the state. Why do you think every dictator ship and oppressive govt through out history's 1st move was to ban the private owner ship of weapons.

[T Verdier]

This thread has realy opened up my eyes on this issue I'm pretty sure California has one of the highest crime rates and ccw isn't legal right? But it also has to do with the poverty and all that shit we have here. So if it were legal to carry a gun would Californias crime rate go down or up?

[e30s52]

yeah I know, just seem to remember you posting or telling me about it is all thats why I asked Maybe it was dubin

I think it was dubin that posted that. It was some kid who broke in with a gun then turned his back to the rest of the party. When that happened another kid pulled a gun out of his backpack and chased the intruder down. He was a CCW holder.

[mrsleeve]

Probably, folks defend themselves with CCW all the time, they never make the news. You know this though.

yeah I know, just seem to remember you posting or telling me about it is all thats why I asked Maybe it was dubin

[Pinepig]

Probably, folks defend themselves with CCW all the time, they never make the news. You know this though.

[mrsleeve]

hey pig, wasnt there one a couple of years ago, where some kid crashed a party and started shooting, but ended up on the wrong end of a kid with a CCW and a .40 in his back pack????

[Pinepig]

Is there any cases were a gunman has been shot by a ccw holder and had a shooting prevented?

Many, they have a page dedicated to " saves " made by citizens every month in whatever NRA magazine you chose to receive.


Here's an article that even shows that it has happened in a school setting.

http://gunowners.org/5/99-concealed-guns-save-lives.htm

[mar1t1me]

That Alabama case is rather humorous. Let's see: we have a supposedly educated woman who decides to do some extra-curricular shooting because she was denied tenure. Her actions convinced me that the committee was correct-she's obviously not all there. And now she doesn't have to worry about tenure ever again!

But in this case, had it been known to her that the rest of faculty was packing, (hypothetically speaking) I wonder if she might have thought twice....

[mrsleeve]

Lee, you assume that the bulk of the population is unfit to have a gun then I see.

Hows that gun control working in Canada I give you Toronto

Laslty people who want to commit crimes will do so with or with out a gun, and will use deadly weapons to do so, its the way it has always been. You are correct (at least partly) that gun control dose nothing but limit what the law abiding can have, those are not the ones you need to worry about.

What needs to happen is all states need to adopt Shall issues CCW, have 100% universal reciprocity across all states. Along with passage of strong castle doctrine laws that extend to any where a person has a legal right to be. All that coupled with harsh penalties for crimes committed with a gun. what all that will do is allow the law abiding to carry the means to defend them selves, and protect them form frivolous legal action, both criminal and in civil courts if they ever have to use it. While making it a huge deal to commit a crime with a gun and make sure the penalties are stiff. Will this happen no prolly not, as its the worlds goal to totally disarm the general population, and even our own GOVT will sell us all out see it happen if they think they can get away with it. Please see some of my Sig quote

AWWWWW I love you too, the world is full good people with a few bad, and to live in fear of the bad is foolish. I dont live in fear I just wish to be able to protect my self and my family if one of those bad people dose decide to target me or mine.

[Massive Lee]

Isn't the idea behind gun control to reduce the number of guns "legally" available? This way, less guns will be "lost" or "stolen", and therefore available for burglars or crackheads to buy? Sure, there will always be guns available illegaly. But the reduced availability will push prices upward, making them more difficult to buy by any crackead wanting to "do" a 7/11 or a private house.

I have no doubt that MrSleeve behaves properly with his collection of weapons. But he's probably not the typical problem case... I am more worried by peoples whose intentions are not as clear...

[mrsleeve]

The way I see it, someone who is going to bring a gun to school and kill people will still do it even if it isn't allowed. Not being able to carry a gun on campus is a mute point. It doesn't affect the problem they are trying to solve, it affects everyone else.

It's kind of like background checks on guns. People who are going to commit a crime with a gun aren't going to buy one from a gun store.

I'm not for or against guns, but I do think most gun laws are fucking stupid.

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we have a winner, some one who completely gets it You win a e cookie

Is there any cases were a gunman has been shot by a ccw holder and had a shooting prevented

YES, conservative estimate put the numbers at around 2 million a year. Thats all crime that is prevented by CCW holders even if they dont even fire their weapon. Just the mere threat of deadly force will stop most criminals.

Most notably there was an Incident at a BK about a year ago when a man was enjoying lunch with his family, some dude was robbing the place at gun point and was threatening to shoot patrons well. The man got up walked up ordered the thief to put the gun down at gun point. That was his mistake, he got shot too, but lived to tell about it, thief not so fortunate


Oh BTW NH is a free state to bad it is slowly becoming more and more infested with Hippies, then it will turn in to CA

[T Verdier]

Maybe Abe Lincoln should have set up a claymore!

[T Verdier]

Is there any cases were a gunman has been shot by a ccw holder and had a shooting prevented?

[T Verdier]

Very true!

Why do you suppose New Hampshire has so few violent crimes???

Because everyone and their mother owns a gun.

I'm thinking it's more to do with who lives in new Hampshire! Am I wrong?

You're doing it wrong.

1.59 kdr(kill/death ratio) isn't wrong is it?

[joshh]

The way I see it, someone who is going to bring a gun to school and kill people will still do it even if it isn't allowed. Not being able to carry a gun on campus is a mute point. It doesn't affect the problem they are trying to solve, it affects everyone else.

It's kind of like background checks on guns. People who are going to commit a crime with a gun aren't going to buy one from a gun store.

I'm not for or against guns, but I do think most gun laws are fucking stupid.

That's very true and a good point.

I'll side with the fact that 99.9999% of CCW owners don't use the gun in crimes to kill. As opposed to knowing what areas can't have guns and become targets.