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  • Turf1600
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    Originally posted by Ryan Stewart
    Well over 2/3rds of the House and over 3/4th of the Senate approved the Iraq war. Including both parties.
    Opposing it at that time would have been unamerican.

    Regarding the healthcare reform, I think the good outweighs the bad here. Is it the best solution? Absolutely not. Is it better? No doubt about it. To me the biggest improvement is getting rid of lifetime max benefits.

    If you really want to get into it, I don't believe there's any reason to modify healthcare until the free market dictates food prices rather than food subsidies. The government pays our tax dollars to keep costs down on food that kills us - but then tries to reform healthcare with our same tax dollars? How about end food subsidies so that an orange isn't more expensive than a hamburger. Sure, there's a level of personal responsility involved - but we as humans are genetically engineered to eat as much fattening food as possible. It's how we adapted to life with caloricly sparse foods before the era of cheap beef and corn syrup everything.

    Also, regarding personal responsibility, I believe that we should be responsible for our own healthcare, retirement, unemployment, education, business endeavors, and everything in between. Let me invest my money how I want it and stay the fuck out of my personal life. If I don't want to wear a seat belt, fuck you - I won't. Abortions? Love em. It's all too personal. Lobbyists need to die and this country needs a revolution.

    Having that said, it is what it is. To me, this bill will be an improvement so long as govt option isn't WAY too cost competitive. If that's the case then the good outweighs the bad.

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  • LBJefferies
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    The big problem is just that there are no cost control measures.

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  • Ryan Stewart
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    Originally posted by pbr87
    Bush went to war without a fair vote.
    Obama passed public healthcare without a fair vote


    ....and the world keeps spinning 'round.

    Well over 2/3rds of the House and over 3/4th of the Senate approved the Iraq war. Including both parties.

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  • jrhaile
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    Originally posted by Turf1600
    Well, does anyone see anything good about it?
    Sure, there are a couple of good things like not allowing insurance company's to terminate contracts because of pre-existing health problems, etc.

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  • ck_taft325is
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    At least he'd already be used to being mocked and his blind faith would carry him far in the Democratic party.

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  • Vedubin01
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    Originally posted by LBJefferies
    And I am assuming what he meant to say was Haiti instead of Hawaii

    Maybe you should apply for Mr Gibbs's job!

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  • LBJefferies
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    Originally posted by Vedubin01
    Obama Says ‘Louisiana Purchase’ Will Help With the Earthquake in Hawaii


    WTF... this is our president!

    http://www.breitbart.tv/puzzling-sta...ake-in-hawaii/

    Are you fucking kidding me Vedubin? Did you watch the clip or read the statement at the bottom? He never once said anything about the Louisiana purchase, he was talking about government funding for disasters like for hurricane Katrina in Louisiana. And I am assuming what he meant to say was Haiti instead of Hawaii which both happen to be islands with similar names.

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  • Turf1600
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    Originally posted by Vedubin01
    giving more power to the IRS, $4 Billion to only black colleges, making it where a person can only get a student loan though the Government. Forcing the people to purchase something and if not the IRS will take it out of your taxes before you get paid. The list goes on and on!
    Well, does anyone see anything good about it?

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  • Vedubin01
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    giving more power to the IRS, $4 Billion to only black colleges, making it where a person can only get a student loan though the Government. Forcing the people to purchase something and if not the IRS will take it out of your taxes before you get paid. The list goes on and on!

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  • BraveUlysses
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    Originally posted by E30 Cabrio
    Add that to "Campaigning in 57 states" "Breathalyzers for children" "Corpse-men" "Reducing Health-care costs by 3,000%" and other stupid statements to come out of his mouth.

    This guy is a complete bullshit artist.

    He never answers a question, he just keeps slinging bullshit in the hopes that some will stick.

    He's in way over his head.

    Anyone who voted for him, please stick your head in an oven now.
    Be honest, were you even remotely this critical when it came to misspoken statements made by GWB?

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  • jrhaile
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    Originally posted by Turf1600
    So, as an unbiased observer - what fault do you guys find with the bill that just passed?
    The government came up with it.

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  • Turf1600
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    So, as an unbiased observer - what fault do you guys find with the bill that just passed?

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  • alwaysclean
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    Originally posted by Schnitzer318is
    The world will go on people... lol the reps vs dems vs indy's vs democracy vs socialism threads on R3v are running rampant.

    I know it's off topic and all that good stuff... but politics is like religion, no one is going to change their mind based on a few keyboard strokes.

    IF Obama's policies end up failing, he will be voted out. End of story. Same thing with the House/Senate seats. "And just as the sands of the hour glass, these are the days of our lives..."

    Our average citizen has turned into an ignorant, self-absorbed, greedy, and inconsiderate asshole. We're on borrowed time as it is.

    /end rant
    All to true.

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  • pbr87
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    Bush went to war without a fair vote.
    Obama passed public healthcare without a fair vote


    ....and the world keeps spinning 'round.

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  • Schnitzer318is
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    The world will go on people... lol the reps vs dems vs indy's vs democracy vs socialism threads on R3v are running rampant.

    I know it's off topic and all that good stuff... but politics is like religion, no one is going to change their mind based on a few keyboard strokes.

    IF Obama's policies end up failing, he will be voted out. End of story. Same thing with the House/Senate seats. "And just as the sands of the hour glass, these are the days of our lives..."

    Our average citizen has turned into an ignorant, self-absorbed, greedy, and inconsiderate asshole. We're on borrowed time as it is.

    /end rant

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