Bible Beaters Beware...

[armeN]

"God is just a man made image for our own insecurities"

"Man created God, not the other way around"

"Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx

According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited. This is the origin of his comment that religion is the “opium of the masses”

Translated: Religion is mainly for those who cannot deal with issues so they turn to a figure to help them deal with it.

[flippyfloppy]

Hey flippyfloppy I don't necessarily disagree with what your basic argument is but your lack of proper spelling and word usage is making it very difficult to assign much credibility to what you post (let alone follow what you're trying to "say").

Sorry, I only have 6 fingers, I sometimes have a hard time typing.

Pictures?!?! :twisted:

it's hard to hold a camera with my bum claw.

[tobybmw]

Flippy and other atheist comments-
If you are going to be an atheist at least be a smart one, i would be cool with that. but there are almost too many flaws to pick out in his statement i wouldnt even know here to begin.

here are some ideas as well. you need to clarify what choice really is if you are going to make bold statements that humans have the choice to do whatever they want. This isnt in the least bit agreed upon and is a huge metaphysical debate that has lasted ages!! You have two options for choice if you dont want to accept determinism(determinism is that external factors make your decision, nothing intrinsic, things out of your control make the decision for you) those are agent causation and strict indeterminism in regards to making a decision. agent causation is mysterious and strict indeterminism leads to no meaning as you cant attribute any decision, good or bad, to your self or any other entity other than random chance. seriously! rereading your statement again its obvious you enjoy arguing without any idea as to what you are writing other than you can hit keys.
You say you die and you go into a box and that is it. where did you get this astute insight into the afterlife if you are still in your current life? in other words, how does you KNOW this??? You CAN NOT. You DO NOT have access to this knowledge. You are going into unwarranted epistemic insight. Basically you have no good reason for saying for sure that there is nothing after death. You take this notion on faith as you have nothing to prove it. so that is your belief system, if you want to push that angle.

You just believe something different and it is equally unwarranted, bc both our thoughts are both reliant upon faith. neither of us can make epistemic claims about something we are not justified in making. well you can, i guess, but you are an idiot and anyone with the least bit of smarts will surely realize this and shoot it down. So now that you do not have the right to say this you are not epistemically justified, you must be tapping into something else to get these facts. This, in my opinion, only leaves one option and that is something from the afterlife informing him that there is not afterlife, which is a contradiction in itself. so either way you are fucked!!! lol.

[hamann318is]

Flippy and other atheist comments-
If you are going to be an atheist at least be a smart one, i would be cool with that. but there are almost too many flaws to pick out in his statement i wouldnt even know here to begin.

here are some ideas as well. you need to clarify what choice really is if you are going to make bold statements that humans have the choice to do whatever they want. This isnt in the least bit agreed upon and is a huge metaphysical debate that has lasted ages!! You have two options for choice if you dont want to accept determinism(determinism is that external factors make your decision, nothing intrinsic, things out of your control make the decision for you) those are agent causation and strict indeterminism in regards to making a decision. agent causation is mysterious and strict indeterminism leads to no meaning as you cant attribute any decision, good or bad, to your self or any other entity other than random chance. seriously! rereading your statement again its obvious you enjoy arguing without any idea as to what you are writing other than you can hit keys.
You say you die and you go into a box and that is it. where did you get this astute insight into the afterlife if you are still in your current life? in other words, how does you KNOW this??? You CAN NOT. You DO NOT have access to this knowledge. You are going into unwarranted epistemic insight. Basically you have no good reason for saying for sure that there is nothing after death. You take this notion on faith as you have nothing to prove it. so that is your belief system, if you want to push that angle.

You just believe something different and it is equally unwarranted, bc both our thoughts are both reliant upon faith. neither of us can make epistemic claims about something we are not justified in making. well you can, i guess, but you are an idiot and anyone with the least bit of smarts will surely realize this and shoot it down. So now that you do not have the right to say this you are not epistemically justified, you must be tapping into something else to get these facts. This, in my opinion, only leaves one option and that is something from the afterlife informing him that there is not afterlife, which is a contradiction in itself. so either way you are fucked!!! lol.

The problem people are going to have is that people think that their faith is going to be fact, but given all the posts made on this thread, I agree with this the most.

[flippyfloppy]

Ok, so when my grandparents died I watched them go into a box and then into the ground. The same will happen to me, so I DO KNOW that’s what is going to happen.. From everything we know from science, when brain activity stops, life ceases. This is scientific fact, you can hook people up to measure brain activity, when the brain stops all function (save being hooked up to a bunch of machines) the body shuts down. There is no evidence, no proof, nothing to even suggest that your “soul” or whatever you want to call it lives on. Life after death is an unfounded theory that need to be proven, not the other way around. You are hopping so hard that there is life after death because you can’t deal with the fact that you’re life will someday end.

What makes you so sure there is life after death? Because you read it in a book? Because that’s what you were taught? Personally I need more than that, some substantiated evidence, even a little bit. Can you give that? Anything thing that even hints that we go on after life ends? No you can’t.

So do you believe everything in the Bible? If it told you that people lived to be hundreds of years old, you believe it. You are a sheep, blindly following the rest of the cult know as Christianity.

Faith does not equal fact. Faith without something to back it up is ignorance.

[flippyfloppy]

here are some ideas as well. you need to clarify what choice really is if you are going to make bold statements that humans have the choice to do whatever they want. This isnt in the least bit agreed upon and is a huge metaphysical debate that has lasted ages!! You have two options for choice if you dont want to accept determinism(determinism is that external factors make your decision, nothing intrinsic, things out of your control make the decision for you) those are agent causation and strict indeterminism in regards to making a decision. agent causation is mysterious and strict indeterminism leads to no meaning as you cant attribute any decision, good or bad, to your self or any other entity other than random chance.

do you believe in determinism? I do not, if you do than god help you. If you believe that then how can we punish people for doing wrong, if it was predetermined, was it their fault? If they had no control over it then how can it be their fault?

[flippyfloppy]

[gstuning]

One question is always sitting in my mind,

If it all began with Adam and Eve, where did their boys come from, and what happened after that, how was anybody able to have any more kids??

I don´t like it when people say , "I don´t think that part of the bible is true, just the parts I need/want to belive", that doesn´t make any logical sense, either it´s all true or none of it is. how is anybody going to be able to tell the diffrence what was true from the bible anyway.

Your either here or there
Your either breathing or not
Your either living or dead
Your either rich or poor money wise
The bible is either true or false,

Those who belive a part of it, why that part?? Cause it sounds the most believable??

I don´t believe in any religion, I just hope something good happens in the end, cause that would be nice,

[PeterCip]

One question is always sitting in my mind,

If it all began with Adam and Eve, where did their boys come from, and what happened after that, how was anybody able to have any more kids??

I don´t like it when people say , "I don´t think that part of the bible is true, just the parts I need/want to belive", that doesn´t make any logical sense, either it´s all true or none of it is. how is anybody going to be able to tell the diffrence what was true from the bible anyway.

Your either here or there
Your either breathing or not
Your either living or dead
Your either rich or poor money wise
The bible is either true or false,

Those who belive a part of it, why that part?? Cause it sounds the most believable??

I don´t believe in any religion, I just hope something good happens in the end, cause that would be nice,

Well said

[bmwdude]

Re: Bible Beaters Beware...

I'm not religious by any means.. I think that religion was created by the brain’s need to put order to chaos. People couldn't explain everything, so they made up religion to calm the masses.

If you love Jesus.. i want your opinions here.


The following was added by either someone who stole my password, or has moderator privledges.. Eitherway.. Grow up asshole:

"I find it hard to understand, and obviously given most christian's beliefs towards people of an "alternative" lifestyle like me, I have a hard time dealing with it.

Sorry, this sort of stemmed from an argument my partner and I had the other night."

Ego is the root of all evil. For anyone that does not know what "ego" means, perhaps the time has come to sit down and really start thinking/philosophizing about it.

All answers to life exist, if you really have an open heart and want to search for it, it is there. Seeing is believing unfortunately for most, but even then, if you don't have a hardened heart, you will find it. Travelling the world to key locations, perhaps is the way forward, but even within your country, I know for a fact that can be found there too. On a magical, VERY obvious method. Trying to create self initiated conclusions, based purely on specualtion without searching, will only lead to the obvious.


If you can spend hours of REAL research on your E30, SURELY you can devote some hours of REAL research of your Creator. There will be no excuse after all is said and done for hardened hearts, once the final question is asked. Ego is the root; and spreading at an alarming rate.

[Charlie]

"God is just a man made image for our own insecurities"

"Man created God, not the other way around"

"Religion is the opium of the masses" - Karl Marx

According to Marx, religion is an expression of material realities and economic injustice. Thus, problems in religion are ultimately problems in society. Religion is not the disease, but merely a symptom. It is used by oppressors to make people feel better about the distress they experience due to being poor and exploited. This is the origin of his comment that religion is the “opium of the masses”

WOOHOO, Someone's a college freshman atheist!

What's next, quoting from Marx, a Che t-shirt?

-Charlie

[screamingbmwe30]

charlie, ^ harharhar