Looks like my paint job is going to have to stop :( (HOA issues)

[mr.vang]

seriously fuck HOA, me and my brother always work on our old broken down cars in the garage. after two weeks of hard wrenching, we got a letter stating that we are operating an auto repair business in our garage. i called them up and ask if they would love to pay for my auto repair at the shop. never will i live in a HOA again and let them tell me how to live my life.

[greentalks43]

Here in California I see these letters all the time in our mailbox. I pay no attention to them. I do my best to minimize any spills and when I do I clean my mess up to the degree that it was as if it never happened. Your HOA has nothing to stand on. Despite not violating any of your HOA's rules they will watch you closely ready to pounce on the smallest of violations.

[drumad]

My co-workers were telling me everyone is just pissy with the 25 year old in the neighborhood because I bought my place at 200k just last year and everyone else sank. The neighborhood was built around 2004 I think and were all listed at around 325+k.

In somewhat lighter news, which rot should I go with?

Hellrot
Imola
Henna
Vermillion
Chiaretto
Electric
Japan
Zinnober
Brilliant
Barrique
Melbourne
Calypso


I'm thinking either Imola or Barrique.

[VANOS714]

I agree with everyone.

[CabbE30]

Create a distraction. Once they realize there's bigger shit going on they'll leave you alone.
I don't have my thinking cap on at the moment but I'm sure r3v could think of something.

[MattAvino]

I agree with everyone here.

[drumad]

Every day at the end of the day wash down your driveway just to keep them happy, other than that I'd politely tell the CM that he needs to go back to school and learn English all over again because nowhere in 18. a-c does anything condemn what you're doing, in fact it tells you it's allowable. I'm not sure how you go about being issued fines, but if you are I'm sure there's a governing body which would laugh at your CM's attempts to create new rules to fine you.

The CM is just communicating to me the Board's concerns. Don't know how involved the CM is but the CM did get all defensive when I was presenting my case.

Seriously, just wash off the driveway, put down some extra tarps to catch more shit inside, and carry on.

Fuck 'em, they've got no ground to stand on.

I got plastic lining on all my walls up already but obviously some of it has gone outside. I would sand with the garage door closed but then I'd have no means of ventilation at all. I do sand with a respirator though.

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IDK about but these places but isn't what you do inside your property your buissness?

That's what I thought.

[Massimo]

The way I read it, what you are doing IN YOUR GARAGE is just fine. I would tell the HOA to pound sand, and if they persist then I would be putting an attorney on retainer and have them send a letter to tell them to pound sand. Wash off your drive way to make them happy and continue on with your project.

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IDK about but these places but isn't what you do inside your property your buissness?

[Komzorz]

Seriously, just wash off the driveway, put down some extra tarps to catch more shit inside, and carry on.

Fuck 'em, they've got no ground to stand on.

[cale]

Every day at the end of the day wash down your driveway just to keep them happy, other than that I'd politely tell the CM that he needs to go back to school and learn English all over again because nowhere in 18. a-c does anything condemn what you're doing, in fact it tells you it's allowable. I'm not sure how you go about being issued fines, but if you are I'm sure there's a governing body which would laugh at your CM's attempts to create new rules to fine you.

[F34R]

The way I read it, what you are doing IN YOUR GARAGE is just fine. I would tell the HOA to pound sand, and if they persist then I would be putting an attorney on retainer and have them send a letter to tell them to pound sand. Wash off your drive way to make them happy and continue on with your project.

This, you're within rights contained to your garage.

[xwill112x]

The way I read it, what you are doing IN YOUR GARAGE is just fine. I would tell the HOA to pound sand, and if they persist then I would be putting an attorney on retainer and have them send a letter to tell them to pound sand. Wash off your drive way to make them happy and continue on with your project.

I second this.

[mrsleeve]

The way I read it, what you are doing IN YOUR GARAGE is just fine. I would tell the HOA to pound sand, and if they persist then I would be putting an attorney on retainer and have them send a letter to tell them to pound sand. Wash off your drive way to make them happy and continue on with your project.

[VinniE30]

I just bought a house and i'm SOOOO glad I didn't buy a house in a HOA area. I made it an absolute must that it didin't have a HOA, and they are so prevalent around here it's hard to avoid. I've heard so many simular stories and some really really bad how people get fucked by them.
I'd rather not pay a monthly fee to have my freedom taken away.

[drumad]

I'm prepping my car for paint and I'm running into a snag.

I need a second opinion on the rules and regulations concerning my HOA. Either I've gone full-retard and am not understanding this or I'm getting dry-fucked.

Quick 4chan style background story
-live in condo w/ 2 car garage
-time for project e30 to start paint process (about two/three months ago)
-starting sanding inside garage
-sand car once every week or two when I have time
-when I sand car, I sand with the garage door open
-e30 is red from factory and PO painted single stage blue over (silly, I know)
-resulting sanding dust is a darkish maroon

I keep the dust inside the garage relatively well and have never had an issue with the community. I knew eventually I'd have to clean up the excess dust but was holding off on it.

I received a letter yesterday:

June 11, 2012

Re: Car repair/work in garage

Dear Mr. dru,

It has come to the Board of Director's attention that you may be doing some type of car repair work in your garage at [community]. Your driveway has a mist of red paint from some type of painting work that you are doing in your garage. Major repair work on cars at [community] is strictly prohibited. Please see 18 B in the Rules and Regulations.

The driveway will need to be power washed in order to remove the red paint from the surface. Please have this repair done by June 30, 2012.


For the Board of Directors,
Community Manager

I think, ok, whatever, I can wash the driveway, not a biggie. BUT I strictly remember reading that I can work on whatever I want within my garage. Here's what 18 B says (I'm showing the entire Rule 18):

18. Inoperable or Store Vehicles - Inoperable vehicles or stored vehicles may not be parked or left on any portion of the Common Elements.

a. No junk or derelict vehicles or other vehicle not displaying current registration plates and current city/county and state permits shall not be kept on any portion of the Properties.

b. No major repairs of any motor vehicle which shall cause the vehicle to remain inoperable at the end of one day will be conducted upon any portion of the Common Elements, including driveways.

c. Privately owned vehicles may be repaired and stored within enclosed structures. Preventative maintenance, such as oil changes/minor tune-ups may be conducted, but must be within enclosed structures, which does not include driveways.

IAW Rule 18 B, I'm completely fine doing what I'm doing inside my garage. FYI, the project e30 is operable, registered, plated, and insured. However, that's besides the point since NONE of what I'm doing is being performed on the Common Elements or my driveway.

Common Elements, as defined in the Declaration section of my community hand book:

3.8 "Common Elements" means all portions of the Condominium Property other than the Units.

So IAW 18 B and the above definition, I'm still completely fine with what I'm doing.

I'm furious at this letter concerning not being able to do repair work and called the Community Manager this morning to present my case. The CM tells me that I cannot continue what I'm doing and that I have to cease any more "running of my body shop" in the garage.

The CM also states that the reason I cannot continue further is also due to rule 18 C. Apparently it implies that I am limited to ONLY "oil changes/minor tune-ups" and that what I'm doing is considered a "major repair." But wait, 18 B states that I can't do "major repair" on the "Common Elements, including driveways." As defined, my garage is NOT part of the Common Elements or in the driveway.

This is not the first time the HOA has been upset with me and I feel like my work in the garage is completely within the confines of the Rules and Regulations. I was really trying not to get angry with the CM but I was completely taken by their interpretation of these rules. The CM has stated that the only way I can do this is present my case to the Board and I really don't feel like wasting my time, effort, and money (might have legal shit to deal with?) in fighting this.

I am honestly getting to the point where I'm throwing my hands up in the air and sending my project off to a local body shop. I really don't want to do that since I've been working on this project completely on my own and would like to call it completely my own.

Am I not seeing this from their point of view? or am I right in some sense in this? what would you guys do? just seriously can't believe I pay these people fees to bitch at me.

Sorry for the long post.

tl;dr Fuck HOAs. If you're buying a house any time soon, avoid them at all costs.