Hawthorne Police Officer shooting dog. (NSFW)

[smitche]

Damn, swore to myself I would leave this post alone... Wine is a powerful drug, yo! :P

[frankenbeemer]

Ok, so after reading all these posts I will now voice my opinion.

Most of the videos out there only begin from where the ABM (adult black male) is already on scene. There is a post with a link showing a longer video. Here it is.



Now although it is legal to record and voice your views and thoughts exercising your rights there is a limit to where you will receive what you may think is unwarranted behavior or action from the other party.

There is clearly a tense situation going on. There are around 6 police cars as well as a swat vehicle. In the beginning of the video you can hear on officer giving directions to whoever is inside the house. At 20 seconds into the video, there is a female walking out with her hands up. Also, you are able to see multiple vehicles passing by the scene. They don't stop to peer over at what is going on. They don't have all windows rolled down playing their music for the whole neighborhood to hear and then park to join to "festivities." When the ABM exits his vehicle, he had the choice to walk over the other spectators and ask them as to what is going on but instead he chooses to begin to distract the officers who are focused on the situation at hand. It is already heated at the scene, they have gone to assault rifles out, negotiation tactics, swat on scene. The officers are in the state of mind of life and death. They are trained over and over for these situations.

Going back to the video, in the first post of the thread with the original video at 2:20 seconds the ABM puts his dog in the car with the windows down as you are able to see two officers walking towards him. He then walks in the direction of the officers turns around and let’s himself get arrested/detained. He knew it was going to happen, he had seen it happening this is why he put his dog in the car. Some people have said on here that he was not doing anything wrong. Actually he was. It’s called obstruction of justice. It is an open ended law. The officers are most likely going to detain him and sit him in the back of a patrol car until the hostage situation cools down then talk to the man about his choices and his actions and be released. The man confined his dog which is an aggressive breed dog, and that is a fact. He then knows he is going to be arrested/detained. If his dog had not have jumped out of the window to protect its owner he would still be alive today. Better yet, if the man had just continued driving by there would be no issue at all. But, no he had to interject himself into this situation to cause a scene. He was making comments such as "Why are there no black cops?" and "This is a civil rights violation!" probably many others too. He wanted to get the attention of everyone around him, including the officers.

Now after the dog jumped out of the window and the man in in handcuffs. You are able to see the dog trying to figure out what is going on with his owner. You are also able to see an officer on edge, on alert most likely from being involved in a hostage situation as well as now dealing with an unknown dog which is an aggressive breed. The officer attempts to grab the leach of the dog. After the second try the dog jumps/lunges at the officer. After that point it's game over. The officer reacted as he was trained to do and instinctively as well.

Here is another video the police released of a different angle, you can see the dogs and the police officers’ actions more clearly.

http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Hawthorne-California-Police-Officer-Dog-Shot-214275441.html

Bottom line is this man knew what he was doing and he put himself and his dog in this situation. You can try and debate every angle of it you want, saying the cops were out of line or that he was not breaking any laws, that is not the bottom line of what happened. Those are straw man arguments. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man)

You need to see both sides of the situation and be able to put yourself in both as well. My background is military and armed security, however I have been on both sides of the law and can put myself on both viewpoints. You should as well when watching this video and reading these posts.

Did you really read this whole thread? Most of this has been covered with more insight than you provide here.

In the video, the other bystanders were conversing in normal (actually, somewhat quiet) voices despite the "blaring" music. It appears they were closer to the source of that music than the police, yet you propose the distraction was too much for the "highly trained" officers?

It's not a straw man argument to opine that the officers arrested Rosby to teach him a lesson.

Welcome to r3v!

[GaryE30]

nut-less



come at me

[Exodus_2pt0]

You guys didn't wait long did you?

I told my Wife I did not support chopping our lab, yet somehow I ended up being the one who took him to have it done.

[AF_Adam]

Show me there is such a thing as an "open ended law" and I will concede and agree with everything you say. I'm sorry though, I'm a huge believer in the 1st and 5th amendments, and saying there is an "open ended law" that eliminates that right is just not true. Again, it doesn't matter what his intentions were, we have are rights and are free to exercise them. If you don't agree with that, feel free to forfeit your rights and move to North Korea. Again, police are not above the law, they are not above the constitution, and do not have the authority to overrule your rights, and you should not allow it to happen.
Yes, I will not deny, the dogs owner was pushing his limits, he was trying to lure the law enforcement agents into violating his rights, and that's exactly what he got, however... As a law enforcement agent, you should be above reproach, you should be able to handle a "heckler" and move forward with your job. Honestly that is part of your job. I will agree that owner is equally as responsible as the officers involved, but I, absolutely, will not hold the owner solely responsible for the dogs death. Frankly, we will see what happens as things move forward. Willing to bet money I'm right.

I am a veteran and I fought for those rights we all enjoy, so please don't talk to me about forfeiting rights. Yes, there are plenty of other choices the officers could have made and didn't. They are human as well. I agree it would have been better to taze the dog rather than shoot it and it was on the officer who made that decision. But I am able to put myself in his position and try to understand his actions.

Did you really read this whole thread? Most of this has been covered with more insight than you provide here.

In the video, the other bystanders were conversing in normal (actually, somewhat quiet) voices despite the "blaring" music. It appears they were closer to the source of that music than the police, yet you propose the distraction was too much for the "highly trained" officers?

It's not a straw man argument to opine that the officers arrested Rosby to teach him a lesson.

Welcome to r3v!

Thank you, its good to be here, been here for some time just never really posted. I Have an e36 hatch. Yes I did read all 14 pages of pasts. A lot had been discussed prior to my post, yes. The officers could have ignored Rosby and let me heckle all he wants, but i would guess that the heckling would continue to escalate. Just my assumption from experience with people that have done similar things. He wanted to make a scene, and he got one. If he was never there in the first place, or just continued to drive by, his dog would be alive and he would not have a pending court case.

[GaryE30]

You guys didn't wait long did you?

I told my Wife I did not support chopping our lab, yet somehow I ended up being the one who took him to have it done.

A week shy of 6 months old. I didn't really have a say for or against it. I am fine with them keeping their goods because we keep them on our property and I don't anticipate them running around impregnating other dogs. The other side of it is I feel they are calmer without them. I let my wife make the call. Just like you, I was the one to take the little fella (wife out of town).

Personally it would suck a big one to go through that, but its so common practice I didn't really think about it much.

[LSM3]

So I just read an article that stated the police were attempting to talk 2 arm robbery suspects out of a home when all this occurred.

Also here is a better view of what happened. The officer looks like he tried 3 times to grab the leash before the dog jumped at him. The second video looks like the dog wanted to bite...maybe its just me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfmg6QVtZ08&feature=youtube_gdata_player

WATCH THIS ANGLE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxCn_RuJ1E&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[quikveedb2]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22938136/coloradans-cheer-bill-aimed-at-preventing-dog-deaths

[ak-]

nut-less

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come at me

lmao

[LSM3]

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingne...ing-dog-deaths

Or just enforce leash laws. Im looking for the video of an officer shooting a leashed controlled dog.

[quikveedb2]

Or just enforce leash laws. Im looking for the video of an officer shooting a leashed controlled dog.

A leash is a tool, and only needed in some circumstances. There aren't leash laws everywhere, believe it or not. I live in a town of about 1000 people surrounded on most sides by national forest & wilderness, nobody leashes their dog here and there is no leash law. My dog responds to voice command reliably from 1/4 mile or more. I've had a tourist at a local park I frequent call the cops because my dog was of leash and minding his own business, my dog sat at my heel unleashed while the officer explained to the tourist that there is no leash law, and only voice contraol is required. Police are trained to use non-lethal force with aggressive people, why should the same rule not apply across the board? Should this guy have had his dog leashed on his own property?

http://gawker.com/5902729/police-officer-shows-up-at-wrong-house-kills-homeowners-dog

How about this one? Over an expired vehicle registration for someone else? In an encosed, fenced back yard?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/212185641.html

The burdern of responsibility for controling the animal falls on the owner, yes. The burden of responsibility for handling a tense situation with a level head & the appropriate amount of force rests on the officer, regardless of if the threat is human or otherwise.

[LSM3]

A leash is a tool, and only needed in some circumstances. There aren't leash laws everywhere, believe it or not. I live in a town of about 1000 people surrounded on most sides by national forest & wilderness, nobody leashes their dog here and there is no leash law. My dog responds to voice command reliably from 1/4 mile or more. I've had a tourist at a local park I frequent call the cops because my dog was of leash and minding his own business, my dog sat at my heel unleashed while the officer explained to the tourist that there is no leash law, and only voice contraol is required. Police are trained to use non-lethal force with aggressive people, why should the same rule not apply across the board? Should this guy have had his dog leashed on his own property?

http://gawker.com/5902729/police-officer-shows-up-at-wrong-house-kills-homeowners-dog

How about this one? Over an expired vehicle registration for someone else? In an encosed, fenced back yard?

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/212185641.html

The burdern of responsibility for controling the animal falls on the owner, yes. The burden of responsibility for handling a tense situation with a level head & the appropriate amount of force rests on the officer, regardless of if the threat is human or otherwise.

Are there idiot cops. Yup. Just like idiots in every line if work. Im just saying the officer in the Hawthorn shooting was judtified. IMO

[AF_Adam]

So I just read an article that stated the police were attempting to talk 2 arm robbery suspects out of a home when all this occurred.

Also here is a better view of what happened. The officer looks like he tried 3 times to grab the leash before the dog jumped at him. The second video looks like the dog wanted to bite...maybe its just me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfmg6QVtZ08&feature=youtube_gdata_player

WATCH THIS ANGLE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRxCn...e_gdata_player

In this first video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yfmg6...e_gdata_player you can clearly see how he is trying to cause a scene. His music is a definite distraction for the officers and then his comments don't help his situation either.

[Exodus_2pt0]

Poor dog obviously had zero training.

These new video's just cement my original opinion, 100% owners fault.

[LSM3]

I guess its the cops fault for trying to keep their perimeter clear while engaging with two armed robbers holed up in a house. I just dont understand agitators. Yes exercise your rights but that was not the time or place. In one of the videos you can clearly hear officers talking to the robbers with their public address system. They have rifles out TRYING to deal with a potentially deadly situation and this idiot decides to walk within their perimeter with a dog? But its the cops fault.

Not the guy who purposefully parks his car feet behind a tense scene, blasts his music at a level which probably distracts the officers then wants to engage them and take their attention away from a serious situation?

If the officer was so hell bent on shooting the dog he would of not tried 3 times to grab the leash. we would of smoked the dog on its initial approach.