RIP Nelson Mandela

[mrsleeve]

Not making the argument that it was!!! But saying its better now is a bit like buttering a turd.

[einhander]

True, true.

[freeride53]

Here's an interesting photo of him, one that most western media outlets wouldn't want you to see :D

[Vedubin01]

[Shangsta]

As a South African whose family was persecuted under apartheid I hold Nelson Mandela in high regard. Yes he did bad things in order to reach freedom but that happens in every revolution. The reason I admire the man is because after apartheid ended he could have called for reverse racism but he embodied forgiveness and he really did bring the people of South Africa together. Is the country perfect? No. Was he a perfect man? No, but he at least acknowledges that fact.

[SA E30]

As a South African whose family was persecuted under apartheid I hold Nelson Mandela in high regard. Yes he did bad things in order to reach freedom but that happens in every revolution. The reason I admire the man is because after apartheid ended he could have called for reverse racism but he embodied forgiveness and he really did bring the people of South Africa together. Is the country perfect? No. Was he a perfect man? No, but he at least acknowledges that fact.

Words well said.

I guess Obama described Mandela best, better than any of the South African speakers at his memorial today. It's sad when the rest of the world seems to know the legacy of Mandela, and hold it in a higher regard than our current politicians.

[SA E30]

When our fore father do it they are patriots. When someone else does it they are not...lol. What ever. I would like to see how you men would of have handled being blacks during apartheid. Put yourself in the blacks position and tell me what you would have done. Wait it out?

A foreign colonist comes to your continent and makes you "lesser" than to themselves. Treats you like shit. You wouldn't fight? You wouldn't become a "terrorist" to that regime? Ok. Sit back and relax. I guess they will just concede their power. God knows history has shown that the oppressor usually just gives up their power in the sake of equality....lol.

SA E30. "Struggle or not". I'm going to guess your white? It's easy to downplay the struggles of the oppressed when you are not. But I'm going to guess your not. I bet descendants of the native people would feel otherwise. If Im wrong then i apologize. To those who are offended by my question of race. Apartheid was about race and racism.

killing innocent people is wrong. Period. But to sit here and believe that the same has not been done during our revolutionary war, civil war, taking of land from the indigenous Indians or during the fight for racial equality is just asinine. I guess some people would look at Indian raids and killings during our carrying out of manifest destiny as wrong...wow.

It's hard to ask equality when you don't have a seat at the table.

Strike a nerve there did I? It's easy to judge

[rex]

It certainly was not better under apartheid.

Mandela cannot be explained without nuance. He was a fighter, a politician, and a statesman. He excelled at all and, like most great leaders, had more than a few skeletons in his closet.

poor choice of words imo lol

[Shangsta]

Words well said.

I guess Obama described Mandela best, better than any of the South African speakers at his memorial today. It's sad when the rest of the world seems to know the legacy of Mandela, and hold it in a higher regard than our current politicians.

I laughed when I heard everyone booing Zuma.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Made this earlier today.