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  • LateFan
    R3V Elite
    • May 2013
    • 4399

    #1

    427 Shelby Daytona "Super Coupe"

    I just ran across a mention of the 427 "Shelby Daytona Super Coupe" prototype. Wait, I've seen that car! In person.

    I remember going to a restoration / race shop on Kalamath St in South Denver near our garbage company - I think I was supposed to drop off the check every month. Nondescript industrial neighborhood with concrete block buildings. It was mid-70's. I rode my bike down there to see what they were doing, then I stopped by in college a few times when I was home.

    They restored old Ferraris, raced Cobra roadsters in vintage racing, and did a lot of restoration and race prep for wealthy owners. It was called MPH I remember, which stood for Mike’s Performance Headquarters. I was just a kid, so they humored me and let me look around and ask questions. I think I was touching distance from some pretty famous cars and didn’t know it. That was the first time I saw a new 512BB Ferrari in person - in for a tune-up.

    This Shelby coupe was a crazy looking thing - way different from the well-known 289 Daytona coupes Ford raced. They had full-size body drawings on the wall while they fabricated panels with english wheel and planishing hammer. That’s the first time I saw a guy make a curved metal panel on a wheel - I was amazed.

    I clearly remember them making the center light bay, headlight covers, those double-layer perspex quarter windows that are the rear brake cooling intakes, the extremely tapered roof, the fuel fillers on the rear kammback, etc etc.

    I remember being told it was a Ford project, but never finished, and they were essentially building it from scratch. Now it makes sense.

    They were trying to get it ready to go out to CA to unveil it for the first time, rushing to finish all the details. I think I saw it being built over a couple of summers.

    So, the owner-genius of the shop was Mike Dopudja, and I’ve found several mentions of him in Ferrari searches. I read that he sold that shop in the early 2000s maybe, moved to Mesa AZ, takes care of some owner’s car collection, and plays with airplanes. Might be in his mid-late 70s now.

    1965 Shelby Cobra Daytona 427 Super Coupe Prepared for the 1965 season, Shelby American’s new large block 427 Cobra was built to replace the small block versions that missed the 1964 World Manufacturers Championship by a just a few points. These small block Cobra Daytona Coupes performed particularly well that year, motivating Ford to assist Shelby with their new 427 Cobras. At that time, Ford was dumping massive resources into taking the World Championship from Ferrari – our feature 427 […]


    "Ultimately, the Type 65 Daytona Super Coupe was sold as part of a package deal when Shelby American was liquidated. After being purchased by a Kansas collector, master fabricator Mike Dopudja completed the project with guidance from Peter Brock. Unveiled at Riverside Vintage Races in 1981, it was driven on numerous occasions.”




    http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/23/2...pe-427-sold-a/

    I found out he was also one of the founders of the big Colorado Grand sports car rally, and was an old Bugatti guy…



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  • ELVA164
    R3V Elite
    • Dec 2011
    • 4861

    #2
    Wow, an awesome story and an awesome car! That's so cool! And I was excited to see the normal Cobra Daytona Coupe...

    There are some pretty significant differences there, and the shape of the car is very evocative. Lower, longer, more purposeful...too bad it didn't see the track, but I see why. I'd be curious how the 427 would have affected the handling/what efforts were made to combat that.
    Interested in vintage cars? Ever thought about racing one? Info, photos, videos, and more can be found at www.michaelsvintageracing.com!

    Elva Courier build thread here!

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    • Das Delfin
      R3VLimited
      • Sep 2014
      • 2293

      #3
      In grade school I did a project on the Shelby mustangs from the 60's. As part of the project I had to find and interview someone who had the car. I found a guy in Pacifica, CA with a restored '67 GT500 with a 427 Side Oiler racing motor from the factory. Apparently the 427 is much better than the 428 Cobra Jet "normal" GT500s got

      This is the guy I met


      it's a Kenny Powers quote on wheels

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      • ELVA164
        R3V Elite
        • Dec 2011
        • 4861

        #4
        Originally posted by Das Delfin
        In grade school I did a project on the Shelby mustangs from the 60's. As part of the project I had to find and interview someone who had the car. I found a guy in Pacifica, CA with a restored '67 GT500 with a 427 Side Oiler racing motor from the factory. Apparently the 427 is much better than the 428 Cobra Jet "normal" GT500s got

        This is the guy I met
        http://www.thecarsource.com/shelby/1...k/huculak.html
        That seems like a long trip from Connecticut

        That's pretty funny though, what a coincidence!
        Interested in vintage cars? Ever thought about racing one? Info, photos, videos, and more can be found at www.michaelsvintageracing.com!

        Elva Courier build thread here!

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        • QUKBMER
          R3V OG
          • Feb 2010
          • 8178

          #5
          I love these type of one of a kind vintage hybrid race cars.
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          garage queen 91 bmw 325is / 1972 Chevy El Camino 355 sbc 450hp

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          • GAbOS
            E30 Addict
            • Mar 2012
            • 523

            #6
            I've never seen the prototype but I have seen one of the actual numbered race cars and pictures do not do these things justice.

            Awesome story!

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            • Das Delfin
              R3VLimited
              • Sep 2014
              • 2293

              #7
              Originally posted by ELVA164
              That seems like a long trip from Connecticut

              That's pretty funny though, what a coincidence!
              Should have mentioned I lived in San Jose, CA at the time


              it's a Kenny Powers quote on wheels

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              • LateFan
                R3V Elite
                • May 2013
                • 4399

                #8
                Originally posted by ELVA164
                There are some pretty significant differences there, and the shape of the car is very evocative. Lower, longer, more purposeful...too bad it didn't see the track, but I see why. I'd be curious how the 427 would have affected the handling/what efforts were made to combat that.
                It was very mid-front engined. It was shoved way back, with a huge box in the interior the driver's legs had to wedge up against. It had to be hot in there. No room underneath for pipes, so it had sidepipes.

                It was way wider, lower, and seemed like a big car (but I was a kid) compared to a Cobra roadster, which are pretty tiny in person. Just a wild shape, with so many dips and scoops - all Pete Brock - and was supposed to be way more fuel efficient at endurance races while being 20 mph faster in top speed at Le Mans.

                I had no idea the significance of this one car being built, I was more amazed by the design and the workmanship, and it just fed my obsession with coach building and auto design. I became an architect instead. They had Ford (?) and probably Pete Brock drawings hanging up, and aluminum panels were being curved and fitted. There was Ford stuff laying around. I really wanted to know how they made all those compound curve perspex covers, but I don't remember now what they told me - I think they were being fabricated elsewhere and then fitted at MPH.

                And it was maybe 5 or 6 blocks from our house, in a sort of dumpy industrial neighborhood. Nothing special, sort of a tacky sign with “MPH” in big letters. But inside, oh shit! And to think I might have just missed Pete Brock and whoever else popped in.

                One summer home from school I had my red Ford Capri that I thought was pretty cool. Anza 4-tip exhaust, V6 noise…
                I dropped by again to see what was happening. There was a kid about my age working there, as a gopher or whatever.

                I think he thought I was some wealthy kid dropping by the Ferrari shop to chat. I thought he was the Chosen One to have a job like that. I said, gawd it must be incredible to just be around all these fantastic cars! He said it’s pretty cool, and he’d learned a lot from those guys. He said he liked the sound of my Anza pipes. I asked about the 512BB parked outside. He said it was in for a tune-up. I asked about the flat 12 engine and had he seen it? He said, yeah it’s really something, and “FIVE liters of flat 12…where are you going to use all that?!”

                I laughed. No kidding.

                By that age I was more of a looky-loo and I wasn’t going to ask to walk around inside. Too bad I didn’t actually get his name and stay in touch.

                About 4 blocks up this street was a fiberglass shop that made those Meyers Manx dune buggies. I thought they were cool at the time. I think I just wanted to know how things were built.

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                • LateFan
                  R3V Elite
                  • May 2013
                  • 4399

                  #9
                  289 Cobra Daytona Coupe... way smaller, kind of cobbled together body, vertical side windows, very short rear end, steep kammback with spoiler / Gurney flap.

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                  You can see some evolution of the design in the Super Coupe, especially in the front. Note where the center of the engine sits - the Weber stacks sit right in front of the windshield.

                  The side windows and roof were very steeply tapered.

                  The rear has that crazy reversed Kamm tail, with the bottom extended way out, probably for flow under the car - similar to a sailboats extended waterline for speed.

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                  • beta14ok
                    Wrencher
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 283

                    #10
                    I probably should convert a section of that sound track file to use as an alarm. That exhaust would surely wake the dead and get 'em dancing.

                    Awesome car!

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                    • lti_57
                      Advanced Member
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 142

                      #11
                      Always have had a love for Cobras growing
                      Some time during my youth in El Paso, TX.
                      Some old boy in a fancy house where us stoner use to go skate boarding
                      had a Chevy Cheetah in his drive way. we got to talking to him only because we kind of knew what it was. And perhaps because we were driving a BMW 1600 . This was back in the 70's
                      The pic below is not his car. but what he had. I have never forgotten that car

                      Last edited by lti_57; 12-31-2015, 03:18 PM.
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                      • QUKBMER
                        R3V OG
                        • Feb 2010
                        • 8178

                        #12
                        Originally posted by lti_57
                        Always have had a love for Cobras growing
                        Some time during my youth in El Paso, TX.
                        Some old boy in a fancy house where us stoner use to go skate boarding
                        had a Chevy Cheetah in his drive way. we got to talking to him only because we kind of knew what it was. And perhaps because we were driving a BMW 1600 . This was back in the 70's
                        The pic below is not his car. but what he had. I have never forgotten that car

                        If you were in Texas did you grow up near rattlesnake raceway ? (Chaparral racecars)
                        Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

                        garage queen 91 bmw 325is / 1972 Chevy El Camino 355 sbc 450hp

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                        • lti_57
                          Advanced Member
                          • Oct 2014
                          • 142

                          #13
                          No sir never made it there .
                          But was a big fan of Jim hall he was a brilliant engineer dude
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