What constitutes as a threat?

[Dozyproductions]

I'm not trying to find real PC answers here because I don't work in a PC place.

I got in to a really heated argument with a couple of managers. I reached my boiling point, shut down immediately and since I came in early to my shift I told them I'll be back and came back to the regular shift time.

Upon being asked for an explanation for leaving I told them that if I didn't leave, I felt like I was going to kick their asses and that I needed to leave before anything like that happened.

Now they, and everyone else there, is saying that I threatened my managers. I thought that the action of leaving and wording of 'WAS' wouldn't get me in trouble. I'm not 'get off my lawn' age yet but a threat to me was always, "I'm GOING to kick your ass" not a 'I left because I felt like I was going to kick your ass."

Help?

[Streichholzschächtelchen]

Fuck those mfers!!!

[Dozyproductions]

Get er dun

[mrsleeve]

if you were early for your shift, and didnt need to be there. Then your on your time and can leave when ever you want, for what ever reason you chose too. So long as you showed back up for your regular time they can ask all they want for an explanation but you didnt have to give them anything. You prolly should have not said one word about why you left, or just said something like you needed to cool off or regain your composure after your altercation.

Other wise they will get over it, or they wont I would not worry about it. At worst you will have a mark in your file or you will be looking for a job

[Dozyproductions]

I already had to talk to the owner of the business and he said that the 'threat' was trending on their text messages. You'd think they'd be too busy on tinder, whatever the hell that is.

[Chroma Aberration]

Yes, that is an implied threat of violence. Whether or not it is a criminal threat... You would need to ask a lawyer.

You are in CA, right?

http://www.shouselaw.com/criminal_threats.html

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=422-422.4

[Dozyproductions]

Yes I do. There was no intent to scare or "a gravity of purpose and an immediate prospect of execution of the threat" if it even existed. It was in past tense, hypothetical, and was mentioned as a reason for the de escalation of the situation.

Ugh, I get what you're saying. I hate it when shit talkers who can make joking threats all of a sudden can't take a non existant empty one?

[george graves]

A lot of people wouldn't want to work with someone that wanted to "kick their asses" now-a-days, and I can't say I really blame them.

I think you might want to walk back your statement a bit, and say what you meant to say was that you were verbally going to assault them, not physically. Hopefully that what you meant anyways(that's what I would assume, but if you think you have anger issues, nothing wrong with going to see someone about it.).

So, if you want to keep your job, you might have to grovel a bit. That's just how things work sometimes. Just my 2 cents with out knowing all the details.

[FLYNAVY]

I think saying you "threatened them" is a stretch, but let's be honest……there isn't an employer in the world that is going to keep someone around who said what you claim to have said. I get what you were trying to convey, but worded how you stated it here, people will take that differently. Time to start the new job hunt my friend.

[Exodus_2pt0]

You should come to the blue collar industries. We are a rowdy bunch who have been known to go from being ready to throw down just outside the gate, and hugging 2 minutes later.

It's pretty awesome.

I know I make that sound quite juvenile, but it's really not. It is nice to work with people who you can be 100% honest with good or bad, and know that they still have your back. I don't think I could do a desk job based off some of the things I read. Mild "shop talk" would have me fired in 5 minutes with 10 reasons.

PS. Your managers sound like a couple of whiny bitches who cry to their parents at the slightest hint of confrontation. Not very good managers. If you are the manager, then deal with your crew without involving upper management. Both sides will thank you, and you will have a better relationship with those you manage.

[ThatOneEuroE30]

What constitutes as a threat?

I always thought a threat was. Something like. Im gonna murder you. Not i need to leave before i kick your ass and do something stupid. Managers sound like a bunch of babies that need an ass kicking

Cause if thats a threat. Man my record would be a mile long for threats haha

[Ether-D]

If it wasn't intended to sound threatening, you would't have said it like that. It was to let them know, for future situations, you are capable of attempting to kick their asses for their behavior concerning you. Was a clear bad decision on op's part. Walk it back, say what you actually meant ("you guys made me really mad"). If you are a reasonable person, ass kicking doesn't enter the equation until there is a self defense situation.

[matthugie]

If it wasn't intended to sound threatening, you would't have said it like that. It was to let them know, for future situations, you are capable of attempting to kick their asses for their behavior concerning you. Was a clear bad decision on op's part. Walk it back, say what you actually meant ("you guys made me really mad"). If you are a reasonable person, ass kicking doesn't enter the equation until there is a self defense situation.

This. And as Sleeve said, the proper way to handle it would be to say that you needed to cool off, not that you were on the verge of physical violence.

[Stanley Rockafella]

Burn it to the ground!


Srsly tho, clearly they are not pleased with you or your performance or a combination of the two. Sounds like the friction could result in a dismissal (from the heated argument or the threat, take your pick).

[Charlie]

"I'm leaving now, otherwise I'm going to kick your ass" is definitely a threat of violence. Whether or not it is a criminal issue depends on state lays, IANAL, that said, to any HR department that's definitely a problem, and probably a disciplinary issue.

Dumbass.