Think it's racist to say...?

[MIZTERIO]

Illegal Hispanics break the law as their first act on US soil, then abuse our social system, abuse our health care system, commit identity fraud, destroy property values, commit crime without any way for local law enforcement to track them, and do it right in front of our face on our tax dollars. After all that they have to nerve to DEMAND amnesty just because they work shitty jobs?!?

hahaha..

[CleanAzzE30z]

I work and do payrolls for the garment industry in Los Angeles. Probably the biggest hotbed of said activity and said industry. These people get their State and Federal withholdings taken out of their taxes along with social security, but will never see the benefits (rightly so). Im not saying they should get the benefits, Im saying this to prove a point that in no way are they leaches. Anything that requires a social security number, they cant get. People say they take our jobs. #1 whos going to do backbreaking labor for 10-14 hours a day for minimum wage? A teenager? no. NO ONE wants those jobs. #2 We actually take THEIR jobs in thir countries when we make their farmers obsolete due to us continuing to subsidize our farms and tax foreign goods to keep our inferior industries afloat and making money for the shotcallers.

Read up on our nations policies and then talk, kiddies. Dont just listen to the controversial bullshit media. Do some homework before you marginalize a whole population of people who make ALL of our lives easier.


Mariano

[Axxe]

I don't beleive in assimilation, but I don't beleive in having foreign rules imposed upon current citizens. Adaptation is a far better word.

[benDASHDASH]

many of you are missing arnie's point. no one is forcing the spanish to learn our language. however, it would be in your benefit to learn english if you are to live here, and immersing yourself into the english culture is a great way to quickly do so. this coming from an austrian immigrant whom has learned by immersion and has since been elected govenor

[george graves]

Oh no you didn't!!!!!

going a little off topic maybe?

“Every immigrant who comes here should be required within five years to learn English or leave the country.”

Come on - you can't learn English in 5 years? I think if I had my eye on moving to France, a few years before, I just might try to pick up some French words….ASAP!!!

[Teaguer]

My old uncle Adi would aprove of many comments made so far .

[CleanAzzE30z]

I was about to say the same thing, Lee. They CANT get welfare or any of that shit for free if they are illegal. Goes to show the regurgitated ignorance of people. And our economy wouldnt exist without the lowpayed lower class. Assimilate or get the fuck out. SOUnds familiar. I cant imagine if they took the same attitude in Argentina with all the Italians, Germans, and Spanish infulence there.


Mariano

[Massive Lee]

Considering the huge drain that these people have on the public welfare, education and health systems, and the dismaly small tax contributions they put back in...

Interestingly, the US economy could not function without those illegal low wage workers, just as the US could not have grown without African slavery. Being illegal, those underpaid South and Central America workers cannot get public wellfare, education or health benefits, which is why they are so valuable to the the US economy. I wonder what percentage of Latinos are "sucking on welfare" compared to other "real" Americans. That was a pretty blunt comment.

BTW There is a huge gap between assimilation (loosing all your cultural background) and learning the language and habits of the hosting country. People coming from all over the world and bringing their rich culture is a benefit to any society. Let's not ask them to dump it. Only learning the language is a natural integration, not assimilation.

If it weren't for some crazy Europeans bringing over their good taste for Bavarian automotive in the 1950's, perhaps we would currently all drive Chevy's and not BMWs, VWs or Volvos... I like eating burritos, sushis, saurkraut, couscous and orange roasted duck. That's the diverstity that the world has to offer us. And BTW I am pretty sure that those damn Mexicans crossing the hot desert between Mexico and El Paso/Ciudad Juarez would rather stay home if they could work. Those are economic refugees that industrial powers are very happy to exploit, here or in there own countries.

[CleanAzzE30z]

Furthermore, I don't care if I sound racist but I think the biggest problem we American's have with illegal hispanic immigrants is that they make no effort to assimilate into our culture and a majority of them are just trashy people who leach off everything. At least it's this way in TN. Go to any Walmart on Sunday and how many of you know when you spot a car or truck a mexican owns it?

I guarantee you if hispanics came to America as tasteful, independant, people with lots of integrity to show most of us would be more willing to look the other way.

You dont care to sound racist/ignorant, huh? How can one respect your views if you admittedly have no regard for choosing to sound uneducated?

Mariano

[CleanAzzE30z]

Illegal Hispanics break the law as their first act on US soil, then abuse our social system, abuse our health care system, commit identity fraud, destroy property values, commit crime without any way for local law enforcement to track them, and do it right in front of our face on our tax dollars. After all that they have to nerve to DEMAND amnesty just because they work shitty jobs?!?

classic.

[CleanAzzE30z]

if they took the time and effort to assimilate, then we wouldn't be havning so many of the issues we do today.

I bet my balls that there would be another reason to single them out. Dont be naive. Im not getting involved in this conversation. I seriously cannot believe there are still people out there who think some of the things that have been said here. But whatever.


Mariano

[CorvallisBMW]

Germany now requires immigrants to be fluent or pass some level of test to ascertain their language skills to be able to become citizens. If people want to legally immigrate that is fine - but they should be expected to learn the language. I wouldn't try and move to another nation and expect them to accomodate my language; it's their country not mine.

Makes sense to me. If you are going to move to a foreign country (legaly or illegaly) in hopes of attaining a better life, then you should be willing to work for it. That includes learning the language. The culture barrier between hispanics and Americans is the whole problem; if they took the time and effort to assimilate, then we wouldn't be havning so many of the issues we do today.

I don't expect any other country to suddenly start speaking english when i show up there as a tourist; why should the US embrace spanish for the benefit of illegal immigrants? If they want to come here so bad, then they need to be willing to put in the effort to learn the lanuage. It's that simple. Considering the huge drain that these people have on the public welfare, education and health systems, and the dismaly small tax contributions they put back in, I dont think it's too much to ask that they at least learn the native language of the country they live in.

[Jscotty]

Should the Pilgrims have been required to learn the language of the Indians? We've only been here a little over 200 years. What will your position be when Hispanics are the majority?

My sentiments exactly. Given the way that we loosely throw around words and phrases from other languages as it is we really have no choice but to embrace other cultures. It is the american way.

Almost every day at work someone will come in and ask if there is anyone there to speak spanish. I could easily help them, but I always tell them that I don't speak spanish and nobody at the stores does either.

If you worked for me I would fire you. Not because I think your actions would be disciminatory but because you would have cost me a sale. And as challenging as it can be sometimes to do business with someone who does not speak the language of the marketplace, that would be money that you would be costing my company. If someone comes to me to do business with me and they don't speak English, I am not going to be so foolish to say, "nah.. I dont want your money" but instead I am going to try to communicate with this guy the best way I can.

Money is the #1 reason why you have to press 1 for english. The border jumping hispanics who refuse to assimilate into our culture make up an important part of our economy. If anyone, mexican or otherwise, comes to me with a pocket full of money and determined to do business with me, I don't care if the guy speaks sign language. I will glady work with the guy.

Also consider that when we as Americans go to foreigh countries, we expect for someone to be able to speak english or demand that they find someone for us who does. In fact you can go to almost any industrialized country in the world and find someone who speaks english for whatever service that you want or need. Even if you call up the Marriot in downtown Paris, the person answering the phone is probably a frenchman who speaks english. Go anywhere in the world and chances are that there is someone who is english speaking enough to accomodate you. And so we should not accomodate mexicans or spanish speaking people?

[RobertK]

Forcing everyone to assimilate has never worked historically. For modern examples, just ask France, the Netherlands, hell even a non-jaded American.

It does not work. You cannot force people to become what is "dominant" culture. You are implying a power relation, one which is based on false pretenses. The EXACT country you are all claiming to be YOURS was just "acquired" a few centuries ago. That is not a long time, and just because you FORCE an existing population to the periphery does not make the damn place yours.

I doubt anyone here will agree with me, you're all brainwashed by your culture. I'll just say that from outside that little box you all reside in, your views look very silly.

Jay

Thousands of immigrant including my grandfather who immigrated from Austria did everything they could to assimilate into American culture. Like I said before tons of other immigrants from all over the world learn our language and follow our immigration laws.

Illegal Hispanics break the law as their first act on US soil, then abuse our social system, abuse our health care system, commit identity fraud, destroy property values, commit crime without any way for local law enforcement to track them, and do it right in front of our face on our tax dollars. After all that they have to nerve to DEMAND amnesty just because they work shitty jobs?!?

How would you feel if I broke into your home just to clean your toilets and take out the trash. When you come home I demand that you let me and my family stay there for free, provide me with free health and social benefits and give every child I have the same benefit all because I'm willing to shit jobs around your house even though I never asked you to?

I have no problem with immigrants from any country coming here to work and live.. but shit.. at least do it legally and pay your dues like everyone else. It's a slap in the face to thousands of legal immigrants that come here after waiting there turn.

[mtechnik]

You know I had some of the exact same thoughts in my head as 1991 318is & Mystikal but didn't want to get burnt at a stake.
That's why I just hinted the example of the movie: Buried my heart at wounded knee.

It can be nice to discuss such matters, as they apply for many countries & it is good to experience many views on a subject but when it becomes a heated e-war than it's better to refrain.

The Netherlands like was mentioned earlier, is faced with many issues now because some years ago many foreign people were welcomed into the country whole heartly and now the general sentiment is that these groups are not intergrating etc... In some instances a host nation says "Make yourself at home" and the guest does just that! Compare it to something like in You, Me and Dupree.