gay marriage

[BDSax]

yeah but everything else is just as worse. it not about the gay marriage thing, but i mean the way we were founded is just getting thrown away. people dont care about the USA anymore (not all). Its ok to do jewish or muslim stuff but if you mention christianity, oh my god you get arrested or cant do it anymore. its pure BS

[Belteshazzar]

So, you are utterly wrong to say that homosexuality is a choice. You might even be inclined to say that it's a pretty "natural" thing to be gay.

One of my friends was a child molester. He went to jail for a long time, his wife left him, he doesn't see his kids anymore. After prison and rehab, he made it three years 'till caught reoffending. He killed himself when the cops came.

First, he absolutely didn't choose to be a gay child-molester. He knew it was wrong and why. It disgusted him to have those urges, but he had them. When he realized he couldn't change he took himself out.
I bring this up not as a thread jack, but to lead into another question that addresses a main arguement for homosexuality; that they're not hurting anyone so it can't be wrong. Shouldn't we as a society, have found a way to allow my friend to satisfy himself without hurting anyone? Surely there's plenty of gay child porn out there that we don't have to produce any more, so it wouldn't involve hurting anyone. If that satisfied him, and if there was a way to do this, would it still be "wrong" for him to be a child molester? It's who he was born to be.

[Turf1600]

i think im going to have to move to Australia soon.

why, do they allow gay marriage there?

[BDSax]

i think im going to have to move to Australia soon.

[JK_E30]

+1

If the "institution" of marriage is going down the tubes, don't blame gay people.

+2

[Turf1600]

It all depends on your definition of "marriage". As one of my catholic friends put it: Marriage is a religious term, a state that occurs between a man and a woman. I don't support gay "marriage", but I support gay civil unions, with all the allowances and benefits that marriage brings.

I think that's a reasonable compromise - but isn't that up to the religion and not the govt?

[matt]

I love how straight people ruin marriage far worse (JLo, Brittany, etc.) than gay people could ever make it and no one bats an eye.



Mariano

+1

If the "institution" of marriage is going down the tubes, don't blame gay people.

[Jordan325iC]

It all depends on your definition of "marriage". As one of my catholic friends put it: Marriage is a religious term, a state that occurs between a man and a woman. I don't support gay "marriage", but I support gay civil unions, with all the allowances and benefits that marriage brings.

[CleanAzzE30z]

I love how straight people ruin marriage far worse (JLo, Brittany, etc.) than gay people could ever make it and no one bats an eye.



Mariano

Wow, I feel like I've exhausted this topic both between this thread and my class.

Thanks for voting and thanks for the discussion.

[Turf1600]

There is some indisputable biological evidence that homosexuality is not a choice (brain development), not to mention that pretty much every homosexual (guys at least) will confirm that they did not choose to be gay. You're going to fail if you try to argue against that. You will basically be facing the entire gay community and, um, science.

So, you are utterly wrong to say that homosexuality is a choice. You might even be inclined to say that it's a pretty "natural" thing to be gay.

But, what I don't like is how it leaves homosexuality as a "roll of the dice" biological thing. A kid raised by gays could all the time be thinking, "There's really no reason to think I couldn't be. It's all up to my biology."

Do you see where this gets complicated? I don't mean to imply that there would be more gay people running around; that is rediculous. I think the average percentage of gay Americans is and will forever hover around 8-10%. That's just how it works out.

I think the only possible difference is how many of them are open about it.

There is some indisputable biological evidence that homosexuality is not a choice (brain development), not to mention that pretty much every homosexual (guys at least) will confirm that they did not choose to be gay. You're going to fail if you try to argue against that. You will basically be facing the entire gay community and, um, science.

So, you are utterly wrong to say that homosexuality is a choice. You might even be inclined to say that it's a pretty "natural" thing to be gay.

But, what I don't like is how it leaves homosexuality as a "roll of the dice" biological thing. A kid raised by gays could all the time be thinking, "There's really no reason to think I couldn't be. It's all up to my biology."

Do you see where this gets complicated? I don't mean to imply that there would be more gay people running around; that is rediculous. I think the average percentage of gay Americans is and will forever hover around 8-10%. That's just how it works out.

[atomic]

nws http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPf_VYWJ2r8

[matt]

Thats how I read it - I took the high road though.

I can't do that.

[Turf1600]

I don't understand what is happening here.

You have your theory and I have mine. You have said nothing to support or deny and neither have I but you are right because you are?

I guess we are done here.


Obviously being gay is not normal. So if/when they have some urge the NATURAL thing to do is resist the urge or want. Well they don't. Find they like it and then they chose to keep pursuing it.

Sorry dude - I guess I'm not on the same page as you here.