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  • whakiewes
    Banned
    • Nov 2003
    • 261

    #91
    People obviously did not quite read my argument to the fullest. The church has no bearing in this argument. There is only one current doctrine that prohibits same-sex marriage or 'union's and that is Catholocism. If the only people that hated homosexuals were Catholics, then same-sex marriage would be legal. As a matter of fact, if you wanted to contribute to the church, anyone who performs premarrital sex, says G-D, pisses in your neighbors lawn, etc... is going to go to hell. Being religious from the age of 72 to 77 when you die doesn't nessacarily justify a life full of sinful acts. Again, the church has no bearing on this act. In Italy, of course it does, considering 96% of the population is Roman Catholic. In American its less than 20%.

    I have been told the argument that procreation, or sexual intercourse whether it be anally or vaginally is for recreation. I can throw this one at you as well; why do men seek to have anal sex with their wives? For the majority of people, sex is used for recreation. For some (Amish and FLDS) it is used only for procreation. The point of the matter though is what is the foundation behind sexual intercourse. Its a matter or procreation, not recreation. You don't have to put a condom on because it feels better, you do it because it stops you from having a child in 9 months. The fact of the matter though is that it feels so good, many of us desire to have sex more often than we would be able to have children. The point I am making is that the human body was never set up for homosexual intercourse. Its a change that people make, to the point of having surgeries, to make it happen. Do they not realize that if you have to use a half gallon of astrolube to make anal sex feel good, it probably shouldn't be happening.

    As far as who is homosexual, I think there are millions of variations. The 1991 publication of the 'homosexuality' gene was the closest I have ever seen to the argument coming to an end. Even better than the 'I know plenty of good familied gay people' is the fact that nearly 90% (I think 88 or 89) of woman have desires to engage in sexual activites with another woman. This is often why you see girls kissing at parties when they are drunk, because without any inhibitions they can do what they want. Woman though on the other hand aren't nearly as likely to seek marital status as men are. My idea is that its the wrong choice, something isn't clicking right. If there was a 'gay gene' then it would solve the argument and the world could go forth seeking equallity. The problem is the 'gay's want it to be a choice, a freedom. Sorry guys, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

    I am not saying that homosexuals need to be hung from a tree or dragged behind cars. I think that is radical and in no way shape or form do I condone people that do that. I don't think that they should have equal rights under our constitution though. Thomas Jefferson would be rolling in his grave. I have plenty of gay friends, mostly lesbians, but I tell them to their faces that. Some agree, some don't. I am telling you here and now though that its a moot point. The Supreme Court nor the US Senate is going to hear cases dealing with this because they can't handle the publicity. Until there is a panel of strict reconstructions (rulling it illegal) or strong reformists (ruling it legal), it will never change. So while Massuchusets gives homosexual couples the same rights under their state laws, here in good ol' NC, they are prohibited.

    Wes

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    • Massive Lee
      R3V OG
      • Sep 2006
      • 6785

      #92
      "Woman though on the other hand aren't nearly as likely to seek marital status as men are."

      Women and men couples deserve it and mainly do it to have their rights as human beings recognized, and as far as I can see in Canadian medias, there might even be more women couples than men. The fact that Canada has now instituted gay marriage, right across the US border will be a good enough exemple to demonstrate that the whole country has not turned into "Sodom and Gomorrha" overnight. In fact, it may even have contributed to make our dollar stronger... he, he.
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      • psloan
        R3V OG
        • Nov 2006
        • 9815

        #93
        The best thing about this thread is no one is listening to eachother.
        "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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        • Massive Lee
          R3V OG
          • Sep 2006
          • 6785

          #94
          Originally posted by psloan
          The best thing about this thread is no one is listening to eachother.
          That's because must of us are illiterate and prefer pictures, especially of naked under-aged girls (or boys if you prefer).
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          • psloan
            R3V OG
            • Nov 2006
            • 9815

            #95
            Pretty much. Most people aren't going to change their opinion on the subject anyways - so why bother.
            "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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            • HST
              Mod Crazy
              • Jan 2006
              • 757

              #96
              I think that gays should be able to get married. If they want to be able to get divorced, and deal with all the other shit that straight married people do, then be my fucking guest. :hitler:

              Personally I think that they got a good thing going with the whole "it is not legal" thing. That way your partner or whatever can't bitch about not committing or some shit like that.
              Originally posted by KingB
              Scratch my back and I buy a prostitute for you, to rub your balls. HAHA now thats some funny shit.

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              • psloan
                R3V OG
                • Nov 2006
                • 9815

                #97
                The colored bars on the poll are backwards.
                "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                • LINUS
                  R3VLimited
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 2422

                  #98
                  Slight tangent, but I would rather a gay couple raise a child if you know they made that a life priority rather than a hetero white trash couple who drank too much Monarch & he 'knocked her up' again. For the 5th time.

                  I think boys need men in their life, but better two women raise a screwed up boy than have a dad around who beats his kid. I guess no role model would be better than a bad one. I notice so many screwed up little boys raised by single moms, and some of my friends who were raised that way even say it screwed them up.

                  It will be interesting to see Canada legalize gay unions. Will that be at the federal level, or is this a provincial issue? Lee?

                  Whoever brought up death as a situation where a legal union is needed, I'll go with that too. Obviously the deceased's wishes would be best known & most likely carried out by a spouse over a family that was "shamed" because of a gay in the family in the 1st place.

                  It's not how you handle the good times, but the faith you keep in the bad that defines you.

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                  • psloan
                    R3V OG
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 9815

                    #99
                    Originally posted by LINUS
                    Slight tangent, but I would rather a gay couple raise a child if you know they made that a life priority rather than a hetero white trash couple who drank too much Monarch & he 'knocked her up' again. For the 5th time.

                    I think boys need men in their life, but better two women raise a screwed up boy than have a dad around who beats his kid. I guess no role model would be better than a bad one. I notice so many screwed up little boys raised by single moms, and some of my friends who were raised that way even say it screwed them up.

                    It will be interesting to see Canada legalize gay unions. Will that be at the federal level, or is this a provincial issue? Lee?

                    Whoever brought up death as a situation where a legal union is needed, I'll go with that too. Obviously the deceased's wishes would be best known & most likely carried out by a spouse over a family that was "shamed" because of a gay in the family in the 1st place.
                    Agreed. I think too many people take on kids they dont want. My cousin had a baby - kept it for 6 months and decided they didn't want it. That poor kid would have been better off aborted.
                    "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                    • 92 mtechnic cabrio
                      Honesty is not the best policy!
                      • Dec 2003
                      • 4907

                      #100
                      Originally posted by JGood
                      Not necessarily towards you, but towards anyone who debates this:

                      WHO THE FUCK CARES
                      .
                      R.I.P 07/01/09 - 04/23/10 :(

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                      • NC325iC
                        R3V OG
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 6565

                        #101
                        where are the i dont give a shit and the Rob option?
                        Your signature picture has been removed since it contained the Photobucket "upgrade your account" image.

                        Originally posted by TimKninja
                        Im more afraid of this thread turning into one of those classic R3v moments, where Pizza gets delivered.

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                        • whakiewes
                          Banned
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 261

                          #102
                          Originally posted by LINUS
                          Slight tangent, but I would rather a gay couple raise a child if you know they made that a life priority rather than a hetero white trash couple who drank too much Monarch & he 'knocked her up' again. For the 5th time.

                          I think boys need men in their life, but better two women raise a screwed up boy than have a dad around who beats his kid. I guess no role model would be better than a bad one. I notice so many screwed up little boys raised by single moms, and some of my friends who were raised that way even say it screwed them up.

                          It will be interesting to see Canada legalize gay unions. Will that be at the federal level, or is this a provincial issue? Lee?

                          Whoever brought up death as a situation where a legal union is needed, I'll go with that too. Obviously the deceased's wishes would be best known & most likely carried out by a spouse over a family that was "shamed" because of a gay in the family in the 1st place.
                          I agree 100% with the fact that there are WAY to many people having kids that don't need to. This is mostly as a direct result of premarrital sex and its much larger base now, but there are even good-to-do married couples that should not have kids. This is most frightening in the African-American communities where something like 80% of children grow up in mixed (not black and white, but divorced with step parents) or single-parent homes. Laws should not have to take place of moral obligations, but its getting to the point where there may need to be federal action. The same can be said to the fact that less than 50% of middle class homes are still living in the traditional sense (no divorce). That means over 50% of homes in this country are mixed. These are social problems that need to be addressed IMO even before healthcare reform or immigration control. The fact is that its too easy to get married, too easy to have kids, and while society as a whole is getting smarter (levels of education are much higher now than 50 years ago), people are losing all of their common sense. John waffleswaffleswaffles can write two page algorithms, tell how the Roman Empire formed, etc... but they can't change a flat tire, fix a running toilet, or make their own dinner.

                          Everyone is listening to each other, but that doesn't mean we all have to agree. At the end of the day, its morals vs. morals. Either you believe its wrong on a moral or religious standpoint, or you view that freedom is sought through equality, and since homosexual couples have a right to choose, they should be granted the same rights as everyone else. There is no middle ground on this subject. Homosexuals are unhappy with civil unions, strong homophobics :) are unhappy calling same-sex marriage..a marriage.

                          Wes

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                          • dinanm3atl
                            R3V OG
                            • Feb 2007
                            • 7305

                            #103
                            I have a question...

                            Everyone that supports keeps saying, "I have no problem as long as they are not affecting me." This always makes me laugh because if you express your opinion of not allowing it to a gay couple and from my experience 99.9% of the time they will flip out and start stating this fact and that opinion and belittle your opinion like it does not matter. It is the same with Apple Fan Boys, if you disagree with their Apple then they will tell you all this information about how you are wrong.

                            The same holds true for them telling you about it and how wonderful it is. This is homosexual marriage, this is so great, we can do this that and we are great. Personally I don't want to hear about it but they will be glad to tell you about it without ASKING. You rarely hear someone bring it not allowing gay marriage just out of the blue and tell you about how it should not be allowed. But someone supporting it or a gay couple will definitely tell you about it.

                            It does affect me, maybe not right now and maybe not tomorrow. But down the road it may so I personally do not want it around me. THis is my personal opinion and it is just as valid as anyone elses.



                            I also 100% agree with Wes. I just don't type or word things as well as he does.

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                            • psloan
                              R3V OG
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 9815

                              #104
                              Originally posted by dinanm3atl
                              It does affect me, maybe not right now and maybe not tomorrow. But down the road it may so I personally do not want it around me. THis is my personal opinion and it is just as valid as anyone elses.
                              Can you please describe to me the difference between gays being around you while non married VS married gays? Because I don't get it.
                              "We praise or find fault, depending on which of the two provides more opportunity for our powers of judgement to shine."

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                              • dvs909
                                E30 Enthusiast
                                • Sep 2006
                                • 1149

                                #105
                                Who honestly cares? i disagree with homosexuality because of my religion, but im not gonna do anything about it.
                                whats the point?
                                its their choice let em do what they want, and if there right then they had there fun while living and i missed out while living, and if im right im gonna have fun after i die and they missed out after they die.
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