My school is r3v

[Turf1600]

Your experience has a selection bias as well as sheer ignorance of all those people you don't recognize as failures or unsuccessful who should be included in your perception of a non-degreed person. Such a bias would make you have a rosy view of not getting a college degree and risking one's life on a poorly-based outlook. Exceptions occur but they are always that, exceptions. If they were more than a very rare outlier, they would be a trend. There is no rising trend of lucky GED's who break the rule, or the rule would not exist.

I know some friends who play college D1 basketball. I see a lot of successful NBA players. If I am like some people, I see that it is possible to have my friends go pro. Sure it is possible, but consider how many NCAA players don't get drafted... see in the analogy the the logic you lack? A slim few make it to the pros, but most don't.

The fact is that the mean income for someone who graduated HS or has a GED is $30,665 FOR THOSE EMPLOYED FULL TIME. Even this figure is GREATLY exaggerated by ignoring those who can only find part time work or are unemployed.

Your 'experience' may lead you to believe things other than the normal perception, but that is biased and incorrect. If you truly take into account the facts of the matter, you should agree with the reasoning of people like Charlie and myself, educated at fine Big Ten schools.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm
Education pays ...

Education pays in higher earnings and lower unemployment rates

http://www.bls.gov/cps/labor2005/chart2-3.pdf

Once again - for people like lance who can't read -

I NEVER SAID THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WITHOUT DEGREES ARE SUCCESSFUL.

Maybe the caps will help it sink in.

I don't understand how this is happening - but I feel the need to explain myself again.

A degree is not REQUIRED to be successful. Anyone disagree? Let me know.

If not, gtfo

and I never disagreed with you. I'm only noting that it makes it easier - but it's certainly not required. Everyone seems to think that I'm saying degrees are a terrible idea - I'm just saying a lazy asshole with a degree is still a lazy asshole. A degree is not a shoe in.

How is it that you guys still fail to see what I'm saying?

A degree is not required to be successful. Work ethic and motivation are key. Does anyone disagree?

YES a degree makes it easier to get a good job - as well as it is required to even be considered for some jobs. You guys are acting like I'm an advocate for dropping out - I'm not. I'm working on my degree as we speak. This is not a black and white situation though. There are people with degrees who are utter failures - and people without even a diploma who are an incredible success. That was the only thing that I ever pointed out - yet you still continue to argue that everyone with a degree is going to be massively successful and all the rest will work with their hands their entire life and retire to medicare and medicaid. Holy fuck. It has been incredibly frustrating trying to reason with you guys.

[FredK]

lol

[rwh11385]

psloan, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

jk

lol, pun

edit:

Everyone OG here knows I am Urban. Fred, same-sex unions are allowed in your state!

[FredK]

screw it, just become Urban and Married, and you'll be well on the road to success!

[rwh11385]

How much more clear can I be that it was based off of my experience? Are you really going to argue with me about who I know, what they do, and whether or not they have a degree?

Your experience has a selection bias as well as sheer ignorance of all those people you don't recognize as failures or unsuccessful who should be included in your perception of a non-degreed person. Such a bias would make you have a rosy view of not getting a college degree and risking one's life on a poorly-based outlook. Exceptions occur but they are always that, exceptions. If they were more than a very rare outlier, they would be a trend. There is no rising trend of lucky GED's who break the rule, or the rule would not exist.

I know some friends who play college D1 basketball. I see a lot of successful NBA players. If I am like some people, I see that it is possible to have my friends go pro. Sure it is possible, but consider how many NCAA players don't get drafted... see in the analogy the the logic you lack? A slim few make it to the pros, but most don't.

The fact is that the mean income for someone who graduated HS or has a GED is $30,665 FOR THOSE EMPLOYED FULL TIME. Even this figure is GREATLY exaggerated by ignoring those who can only find part time work or are unemployed.

Your 'experience' may lead you to believe things other than the normal perception, but that is biased and incorrect. If you truly take into account the facts of the matter, you should agree with the reasoning of people like Charlie and myself, educated at fine Big Ten schools.

http://www.bls.gov/emp/emptab7.htm
Education pays ...

Education pays in higher earnings and lower unemployment rates

http://www.bls.gov/cps/labor2005/chart2-3.pdf

[Turf1600]

How much more clear can I be that it was based off of my experience? Are you really going to argue with me about who I know, what they do, and whether or not they have a degree?

And if that is the only statement you have a problem with- I can live with that. We can agree to disagree and I can assume that I have been 99% correct.

[rwh11385]

When did I exaggerate?

Plus, I've only ever argued that there is an exception.

They are not THAT rare of exceptions.

You are contesting the general belief about the success rate of non-college educated people.

[Turf1600]

psloan, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

jk

I'm still in the kitchen. Many others have left.

[FredK]

psloan, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

jk

[Turf1600]

I disagree with your exaggeration of how likely it is to be successful without one and your underestimate of how much more likely one is to be successful with one. Which is the basis of argument in much of the thread... and is ongoing because people on your side are too short-sighted to see how silly 'arguing' with exceptions is.

When did I exaggerate?

Plus, I've only ever argued that there is an exception.

[rwh11385]

A degree is not REQUIRED to be successful. Anyone disagree? Let me know.

I disagree with your exaggeration of how likely it is to be successful without one and your underestimate of how much more likely one is to be successful with one. Which is the basis of argument in much of the thread... and is ongoing because people on your side are too short-sighted to see how silly 'arguing' with exceptions is.

Mariano speaking about himself is an outlier and is an example of how one can do fine without traditional post-secondary education, but then again, in majority of the cases, he should have been lying dead somewhere from an OD or gunshot, or in jail. Don't make plans on exceptions. equate is going to end up burnt out and most likely not a parts manager, and just give up like he did when he was in real college.

[Turf1600]

clearly you don't know much about finance.

when you get in the real world come back and talk to me. Until then, lol

[rwh11385]

Read some stats on debt.

Returns to education are 10-14% and student loans are 6.8%... clearly you don't know much about finance. And what kind of person with all this increasing globalization would forgo study abroad experience?

[Turf1600]

It deals with the log of wage as the y-variable, and multiple explanatory variables. For each increase in years of education, a person is expected to have a 5% increase in wage. 1.3% increase in wage with an additional year of experience, holding all other variables constant obviously - ceteris paribus

The model sees a 20% premium if you are married. And paid 13% less if black and 8% less in the South.


Everyone who knows well enough I didn't get a girl knocked up know what school I attend and how old I am.

I don't - so quit avoiding answering.

EDIT:

I don't understand how this is happening - but I feel the need to explain myself again.

A degree is not REQUIRED to be successful. Anyone disagree? Let me know.

If not, gtfo

do you agree or disagree?

[Turf1600]

Oh and FYI - my job pays back 100% of my tuition at the end of each semester - up to 15k - because they think I am hot shit.