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[Jesse30]

All and all I want to be the next TMS lol. Develop performance parts and make a killing with the online market. I don't want to change oil and align cars my entire life.

you, me and everyone else wants this. im going to school to do the same thing.

im going a bit of a different route though. im in the HPI program at citrus college, then going to CSLA for production engineering.

[whiltebeitel]

This is partially true - but also not always the case. The 3 richest people I know do not have degrees. One was a high school drop out. They were creative and worked hard - and became massively wealthy. One of which is my uncle - who is the president of the ferrari club in houston. The second of which is my brother in law - who owns 3 companies. I would kill for his assets.

Along similar lines, Nearly all of the top 100 wealthiest people are college droputs with great drive and business plans. They are exceptions.

One mechanic I worked with makes upwards or 160k a year because he rebuilds exotics to a high standard and resells them. He's a god with a wrench.

[Turf1600]

Psloan wants a degree, he's not saying it's a bad thing, just that some people don't need degrees. They are the type of people that support those with higher education. The world needs welders and machinists as much as it needs engineers.

This is partially true - but also not always the case. The 3 richest people I know do not have degrees. One was a high school drop out. They were creative and worked hard - and became massively wealthy. One of which is my uncle - who is the president of the ferrari club in houston. The second of which is my brother in law - who owns 3 companies. I would kill for his assets.

[Turf1600]

Let me summarize for those of you who aren't creative enough to understand what I'm saying.

-I am in the process of getting a degree.
-I understand that without a degree corporate careers are limited
-Education is extremely valuable
-Employers search for prospects based off of their degrees

HOWEVER

-Many people are massively successful without degrees
-Many business owers hire people with degrees to make money for them -
"limetime employees" are just that - employees. they are responsible for making other people rich.
-Many people with degrees are unemployed or underemployed
-A person who does not have a degree who is motivated, resourceful, and hard working it more useful than a pedigreed snob.

[whiltebeitel]

Cal 3 is eaier than Cal 2. You just solve for 3 variables rather than 2. It's the complex analysis and logic that you should've gotten from those courses. it makes a real difference, but I wish you luck in your field. If you come to texas, let me know. There are some great shops around here, including Teaguer's.

[equate975]

And about math being bull shit, I'm just dumbfounded by this. Maybe because it's my second major, but that's just ludacris. Without math your job working on cars would not be possible. Math makes our world function like it does.

I should have worded this better. Math in general is needed, but what I should have explained was they wanted me to take classes up to Calc 3 and whatever is past that for my comp sci. I know algebra, I know a good amount of trig, but anything past that (unless its something for your field) is not needed. I dunno, I can't seem calc 3 coming in handy when I am putting new front brakes on. From the programming classes I have taken, "math" isn't really needed, the concept of math is needed, but you never like solve for x. You make your own equations, its hard to explain unless you do it.

Also my other gripe with math is that they make you learn to do a lot of stuff by hand. Like I guess its good to know how something works, to an extent. But if I was doing something really math related for my field I'm sure my employer would rather me use a calculator than writing out a page of numbers for long division.

If you can't add 1+3 thats a different story.

[whiltebeitel]

Psloan wants a degree, he's not saying it's a bad thing, just that some people don't need degrees. They are the type of people that support those with higher education. The world needs welders and machinists as much as it needs engineers.

[Charlie]

Jesus christ. Quit picking and choosing which part of my argument to defend. If you read everything I've written it will make good sense.

Don't throw such a lousy and ill-informed argument up there, and you wouldn't have to worry.

-Charlie

[Turf1600]

The day after I updated my resume on Monster with my degree, I got 11 interview offers. 11. Trust me, employers want to see a degree. A degree shows you can handle a multi-year commitment to a project with multiple objectives. They want a multifaceted individual. Your average HS graduate with just a HS diploma makes 22-24k/year.

-Charlie

Jesus christ. Quit picking and choosing which part of my argument to defend. If you read everything I've written it will make good sense.

[DEV0 E30]

I'm glad you found an enjoyable training experience. I was going to go to an automotive training school, but decided I didn't want to go that route, and to keep it as a hobby.

If any college helps you become successful, it's done it's job. Don't look at getting a JOB out of college or whenever you join "the workforce". Look at getting a CAREER. Big difference some people don't realize. I'll stop before I bore anyone, since basically I'm sounding like one of my companies' brochures.

That's true, they just want you to get those 3 double venti mochalattechinos out on time without fucking up.

-Charlie

Quote of December.

[Charlie]

Just a side note - college doesn't do shit. Period.

The day after I updated my resume on Monster with my degree, I got 11 interview offers. 11. Trust me, employers want to see a degree. A degree shows you can handle a multi-year commitment to a project with multiple objectives. They want a multifaceted individual. Your average HS graduate with just a HS diploma makes 22-24k/year.

-Charlie

[whiltebeitel]

I WILL NOT hire someone who comes in with a UTI shirt/uniform at my shop because of this, They NEVER work out, and ALWAYS know more than I/Shop does. It's so sad to see these young guys walk in with their 30K "knowledge" and 17 worthless S.O.P. Pins and shit, and it does not mean anything when you have to (really happened) show them that the bolt turns the other way.

If/When anyone attends a UTI tech school, as the guy that picks the new employee, DO NOT wear your uniform/hoodie into the shop, Collar shirt, tucked in, with clean hands/fingernails, and a lack of "I know it all, I went to UTI" attitude will get you farther than any UTI badging.

I got my job because I came, they told me they'd think about it, and I stayed and cleaned up shop and helped out until they all left.

Having a little guts to prove that you'll be worth their time and will do what they say seems to really be the ticket. the technical schools only help with a dealership job, which has so much bureaucracy it's necessary to have it that way.

[Charlie]

Those classes are bullshit. my employer could give a shit if i know the dates that the turks held Jerusalem etc.

That's true, they just want you to get those 3 double venti mochalattechinos out on time without fucking up.

-Charlie

[Farbin Kaiber]

I worked at such a shop, replacing a guy going through the same program, and the mechanic hated him because he thought he knew what he was doing with his tech school training. Hands on real shop work can't be replaced by UTI. Work hard and take pride in your work and you can get to where you want to be.

I WILL NOT hire someone who comes in with a UTI shirt/uniform at my shop because of this, They NEVER work out, and ALWAYS know more than I/Shop does. It's so sad to see these young guys walk in with their 30K "knowledge" and 17 worthless S.O.P. Pins and shit, and it does not mean anything when you have to (really happened) show them that the bolt turns the other way.

If/When anyone attends a UTI tech school, as the guy that picks the new employee, DO NOT wear your uniform/hoodie into the shop, Collar shirt, tucked in, with clean hands/fingernails, and a lack of "I know it all, I went to UTI" attitude will get you farther than any UTI badging.

[whiltebeitel]

College degree are more a badge of perseverance to employers. The first year or so of BS classes are discouraging, to "weed out" people, and then the upper level classes are what you want to learn, and much harder.

You have to do shit you don't like at work, and you have to do it well anyway, same thing with history for an engineer, just because you don't like it doesn't mean you can't get a good grade in it.



As for dealers, your best bet is to make lots of money with them. Independent shops can't pay their mechanics the same. I suggest you take your "apprentice time" or whatever they call it with a independent shop so you can see exactly how that works.

I worked at such a shop, replacing a guy going through the same program, and the mechanic hated him because he thought he knew what he was doing with his tech school training. Hands on real shop work can't be replaced by UTI. Work hard and take pride in your work and you can get to where you want to be.


Just keep in mind that there are those that can make lots of money, but they are less than 1% of all mechanics. If you really have an innate talent for the work, and a good business head, you can make more than I ever will as an engineer. Just don't expect to work less than 60 hours a week to get there.