Obama Campaign Theatrics --- woman faints @ rallies a scam?

[Sean]

Holy shit, uofom3...dude, you're awesome. Everything you say is soo spot on! I'm so insanely shocked you're in Oregon! I thought everyone there was hippies. Or is that Washington? ;-)

Although, I have to say that globalization is pretty key these days. Like, for CAT, they are building and producing in China, Korea, France, etc - because that's where the customers are. It's just part of making a business stronger and being able to compete in the world market.

He's not Muslim? Thought he was. In that case, Id definitely choose him over Clinton. For the poster who said "white baptist", thatd also be incorrect. It's typically a christian run nation, its just the way it is. But I personally dont care what color or religion they are, as long as its not Muslim.... Or female sex. It could be a white muslim, and Id be opposed. Its probably me being naive or ignorant to all of this, but a Muslim leading our country just seems odd.

I think what goes on here is Obama LOVES to bring up that's he, himself, is a melting pot of multiple races. His father was in africa or something, his mom was something else - blah blah. Obama doesn't know anything about how to run a country, he's a moron. He's just a good speaker, and I think that's how he's gotten this far.

What most people fail to realize is that often, presidents reap the benefits of the president that proceeded them. Bush Sr. reaped the benefits of Reagan's economic plan- Clinton reaped the benefits of Bush/Reagan- and Bush was hurt by some of Clinton's policies. (But, I'm not defending Bush here- I don't think his administration has done very well, to be waay too optimistic.) Also, the country's economy is not driven by the president- there are plenty of natural market forces that are completely out of the president's control.

McCain would support "republican" values to be sure. Those are: small, limited government, limited government spending, a strong, secure State, and limited involvement in other countries' business so long as we secure the freedom of the country here at home. the so-called republicans in office now, that most people associate with the title, have let themselves slip away from what their party once stood for.

You are ABSOLUTELY right! I can't seem to get anyone I know to understand that Clinton was not responsible for the great economy when he was in office. The new President doesn't get into his Oval office, sit down at his chair, and wave a wand and make the economy better in a month. Changes take 5-10 years to have any affect at all. Just like you, it blows my mind that no one seems to understand that.



Oh ya, and I love hearing Obama say he wants to talk with the enemies, not "shun" them or whatever term he used.

Why don't we just all hold hands and sing campfire songs???!

Oh ya...cause some terrorist would blow all the peaceful people up!!!

This is gettin good! :D

[e30sd]

ted i share your viewpoint to some extent, but solving the middle east problem is deeper than they hate us why are we talking to them? the current situation (afghanistan, taliban, not so much iran) is one of the greatest intelligence failures evar. it seems as soon was our interest was complete (killing soviets and chasing waffleswaffleswaffleswaffleswaffles in kabul) we were out. this in itself is where the problem begin. to understand the thing you have to put it into context. check out this book ghost wars, it is a decent look at some background. i agree of course suicide bombing, innocent deaths, all these things are horrible and i would never defend these cretains. but in order to understand this further you really have devote yourself as a student of foreign policy. im not saying obama is or has proven any track record, but mccain? neither has he. frankly, neither of them realize that even with the faults of IGO's like the UN, we cannot take unilateral action. GWOT requires many players, support systems, and infrastructures so that we can share the burden instead of spending like it's a coked up hotel party in vegas.

[Pinepig]

Republicans are doing a great job with the economy - talk to your buddies in the house and senate about helping to "get things done"

Pointlessly taking them away? I agree with Iraq being a problem, but it is no longer a war; it's an occupation. Leaving there would create a shit storm that would ultimately make even leftest of lefties shit themselves when the fallout actually came down.

Conservatives don't lack empathy; they have self-motivation.

So you're supposed to vote for Obama because he's a bastard child? what the hell does that have to do with shit?

Policies favorable with the common man?

What do you know about economics? geo-economics? Lets take a look at every socialized nation that decides that will solve economic problems (socialization). Do some reading about the economy in Spain, as well as the now flogged to death problems with the Canadian healthcare system - this isn't rocket science.

You're right about McCain - he's not going to raise taxes, he will create an environment that allows small business to grow, and will generally reduce the role of government in your life. Lets take a look at the 50's and 60's - those were arguably some of the most prosperous times in our nations history from an economic standpoint. Guess what? even the leftest of left demo's at the time would look moderate by comparison to the whack jobs that are out there today. The same can be said for both sides, however.

The dems will move America to destruction for several reasons:

- Weak Foreign Policy; Obama wants to "talk" with the oppostion? WTF is he thinking? these people strap bombs to retarded women and blow them up to kill civilians. and you want to TALK? I'm not saying take it to them, but I am saying that talking just isn't a solution. There are bad people in this world, and you have to speak in a language that they understand - and that sure as hell is not diplomacy

- Military Incompetence; these people are cheering our soldiers to defeat. that is not good for the country and they should be ashamed of themselves.

-Taxes - Just remember, every time that they tax something else, that will ultimately lead further to the taxation and regulation of everything; which leads me to my final point.....

-SOCIALISM! LET ME MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS! Socialization will destroy our country. Look at EVERY SOCILIZED COUNTRY THAT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN.... this shit DOES NOT WORK. A free market economy generates more freedom, wealth, opportunity, and happiness ONTHE WHOLE than any other form that can be realistically implemented. I could write for pages on why this is a horrible idea.


People don't get it - the healthcare thing especially. For instance... lets say you find a bum on the side of the road nearly dead. you call the cops, they come with an ambulance and haul him off to the ER. they treat and release him (I believe they are legally obligated to do so). He doesn't have insurance - so who pays for it? THE TAX PAYERS! Why? Because states ALREADY HAVE funds SET ASIDE to pay for these circumstances - if you pay taxes, you helped pay for his visit. The bum got the same care that I would get with my Blue Cross health insurance coverage. This shit already exists...

Don't even get started on "wealth redistribution" or ANYTHING pertaining to increased taxation for the wealthy or increases in minimum wage - who the hell do you think pays yours and my salaries? it isn't me - and if the guy paying them has more money, there is a greater chance that you and I will earn more - and all increasing minimum wage does is push more jobs overseas, raise the unemployment rate, decrease the GDP through a decline in net exports, and increase crime rates/poverty.

The dems bitch about money, yet they think the only way to solve problems is the throw more of it at the problem! oh, the irony....

A bunch of the younger guys on this sites heads just exploded. Well done.:D

[uofom3]

ted, do you read? have you been to other countries? im not trying to slight you, i'm serious. isolationism? this isn't the 1920's, and you're not henry cabot lodge sitting in the corner of congress getting handjobs from xenophobes, are you? there's a difference between sound foreign policy and isolationism. globalization is something that the conservatives secretly love but publicly hate. i never understood this. (thank tom friedman for that one.) we have our hands in every part of the globe, economically and politically. to advocate isolationism is not only dumb but impossible. goodbye 725+ military installations in 130 countries. see you later free trade (which is the cornerstone, haha ok shield, of global thought).it doesnt make sense.

i would love to buy you a beer and talk shit like this all day.

OK, you got me... I needed to clarify this further.

How about "more" "isolationist-ish". No, but seriously - I suppose I'm supporting the idea that we needed to take a slightly more hands off approach. Like it or not, the US is the glue that holds a lot of things together in this world. I just feel that we need to be more concerned with domestic issues than international ones.

There are terrible things that happen everyday around the world - particularly in Africa and some parts of South America. I can't simply turn a blind eye to those issues - but we face a lot of problems inside our own country that are more pressing on the lives of the people who I deal with.

Lets handle shit at home first - then worry about the other problems abroad. It doesn't make sense to think of it any other way. This kind of logic should have been applied to the Iraq situation in the first place... would have saved us a lot of time and money.

Pasha - I'd hook you up with a beer any time; this stuff is a rabbit hole to start discussing.

[Desaevious]

uofom3...I couldn't have said it better myself.

[uofom3]

Socialized healthcare may not be the best move for the economy, but neither is spending billions of dollars everyday on the war in Iraq, increasing our deficit more. Look at our economy right now, and tell me that the republicans are doing a good job. At least healthcare will save lives rather than pointlessly taking them away like the war has been doing. I think what most conservatives lack is empathy.

I support Obama because he has been through a lot in his life. Not only did he not have a father growing up, but he has become a very successful man in spite of it. He's not like other candidates who have been fed with a silver spoon and have no clue as to what the life of an average American is like. He also promotes policies that are favorable to the common man, and not just the elite. I think eight years of having a conservative moron in office is enough. It would be nice to think that the candidates had total control, but they dont. While you may think that Mccain is "different," he will have to support the basic principles that republicans stand for. Right now, I think the dems would move America into a better direction.

Republicans are doing a great job with the economy - talk to your buddies in the house and senate about helping to "get things done"

Pointlessly taking them away? I agree with Iraq being a problem, but it is no longer a war; it's an occupation. Leaving there would create a shit storm that would ultimately make even leftest of lefties shit themselves when the fallout actually came down.

Conservatives don't lack empathy; they have self-motivation.

So you're supposed to vote for Obama because he's a bastard child? what the hell does that have to do with shit?

Policies favorable with the common man?

What do you know about economics? geo-economics? Lets take a look at every socialized nation that decides that will solve economic problems (socialization). Do some reading about the economy in Spain, as well as the now flogged to death problems with the Canadian healthcare system - this isn't rocket science.

You're right about McCain - he's not going to raise taxes, he will create an environment that allows small business to grow, and will generally reduce the role of government in your life. Lets take a look at the 50's and 60's - those were arguably some of the most prosperous times in our nations history from an economic standpoint. Guess what? even the leftest of left demo's at the time would look moderate by comparison to the whack jobs that are out there today. The same can be said for both sides, however.

The dems will move America to destruction for several reasons:

- Weak Foreign Policy; Obama wants to "talk" with the oppostion? WTF is he thinking? these people strap bombs to retarded women and blow them up to kill civilians. and you want to TALK? I'm not saying take it to them, but I am saying that talking just isn't a solution. There are bad people in this world, and you have to speak in a language that they understand - and that sure as hell is not diplomacy

- Military Incompetence; these people are cheering our soldiers to defeat. that is not good for the country and they should be ashamed of themselves.

-Taxes - Just remember, every time that they tax something else, that will ultimately lead further to the taxation and regulation of everything; which leads me to my final point.....

-SOCIALISM! LET ME MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS! Socialization will destroy our country. Look at EVERY SOCILIZED COUNTRY THAT THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN.... this shit DOES NOT WORK. A free market economy generates more freedom, wealth, opportunity, and happiness ONTHE WHOLE than any other form that can be realistically implemented. I could write for pages on why this is a horrible idea.


People don't get it - the healthcare thing especially. For instance... lets say you find a bum on the side of the road nearly dead. you call the cops, they come with an ambulance and haul him off to the ER. they treat and release him (I believe they are legally obligated to do so). He doesn't have insurance - so who pays for it? THE TAX PAYERS! Why? Because states ALREADY HAVE funds SET ASIDE to pay for these circumstances - if you pay taxes, you helped pay for his visit. The bum got the same care that I would get with my Blue Cross health insurance coverage. This shit already exists...

Don't even get started on "wealth redistribution" or ANYTHING pertaining to increased taxation for the wealthy or increases in minimum wage - who the hell do you think pays yours and my salaries? it isn't me - and if the guy paying them has more money, there is a greater chance that you and I will earn more - and all increasing minimum wage does is push more jobs overseas, raise the unemployment rate, decrease the GDP through a decline in net exports, and increase crime rates/poverty.

The dems bitch about money, yet they think the only way to solve problems is the throw more of it at the problem! oh, the irony....

[Farbin Kaiber]

Im not a superdelegate. Im not a member of the electoral collage. Im not rocking the vote. Either way some at, old, pompus ass guy that decides how much he needs out of my check each week is gonna tell me who is gonna be President. The sooner the people voting for the candidate's find that the showboating BS is a lame ass game, the sooner something can change. President's were President's in the days that you heard of their actions once a week as opposed to 3 times an hour. I think they were much more regal/royal/presidential when you didn't hear about the last time they broke wind or accedently shot a hunnting party cohort.

[Dozyproductions]

You just paraphrased EXACTLY what my problem is with politics. Thank you.

so then what do you do?

[e30sd]

ted, do you read? have you been to other countries? im not trying to slight you, i'm serious. isolationism? this isn't the 1920's, and you're not henry cabot lodge sitting in the corner of congress getting handjobs from xenophobes, are you? there's a difference between sound foreign policy and isolationism. globalization is something that the conservatives secretly love but publicly hate. i never understood this. (thank tom friedman for that one.) we have our hands in every part of the globe, economically and politically. to advocate isolationism is not only dumb but impossible. goodbye 725+ military installations in 130 countries. see you later free trade (which is the cornerstone, haha ok shield, of global thought).it doesnt make sense.

i would love to buy you a beer and talk shit like this all day.

[Ral]

I support Obama because he has been through a lot in his life. Not only did he not have a father growing up, but he has become a very successful man in spite of it. He's not like other candidates who have been fed with a silver spoon and have no clue as to what the life of an average American is like. He also promotes policies that are favorable to the common man, and not just the elite. I think eight years of having a conservative moron in office is enough. It would be nice to think that the candidates had total control, but they dont. While you may think that Mccain is "different," he will have to support the basic principles that republicans stand for. Right now, I think the dems would move America into a better direction.

1. McCain was beaten, naked, for 5 YEARS in a prison camp in Vietnam. He was offered early release based solely on family ties, but DENIED IT- he chose to stay in hell. This argument doesn't hold any water.

2. "policies for the common man"- refer to UofM3's response. No need to repeat a well-stated argument.

3. of all the candidates, McCain is the only one who contains enough spine to stand up against the more extreme portions in his party. He has a history of bipartisan actions to the point that his own party was once questioning whether he would remain true to them if he were to be put in office (2004).

What most people fail to realize is that often, presidents reap the benefits of the president that proceeded them. Bush Sr. reaped the benefits of Reagan's economic plan- Clinton reaped the benefits of Bush/Reagan- and Bush was hurt by some of Clinton's policies. (But, I'm not defending Bush here- I don't think his administration has done very well, to be waay too optimistic.) Also, the country's economy is not driven by the president- there are plenty of natural market forces that are completely out of the president's control.

McCain would support "republican" values to be sure. Those are: small, limited government, limited government spending, a strong, secure State, and limited involvement in other countries' business so long as we secure the freedom of the country here at home. the so-called republicans in office now, that most people associate with the title, have let themselves slip away from what their party once stood for.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Well you gotta pick someone. Might as well go with who you think sucks the least :)

You just paraphrased EXACTLY what my problem is with politics. Thank you.

[brandondan1]

Well you gotta pick someone. Might as well go with who you think sucks the least :)

[Farbin Kaiber]

No, I am part of the "Anti-Politician" cult. Our ranks are growing.


I have come to see them all as car salesmen, it's tough to pick out the shark in the lot thats gonna get you the best APR. They all have comb-overs, gold jewelry, and walk with a saunter like they know what you need, but they are all so tied up in their own image that they can't grasp what the person they are "working for" and helping them save "change" needs. By moving the extended warranty into another sub clause explaination when all they are doing is fucking you while your dizzy from watching their intricate show. It's all become a lame ass American Idol pop fan contest.

[brandondan1]

That sounds like a cookie cutter "Cult" canned response.

Sure it's a somewhat general statement, but is it false? What about the first point I made?

Do you think a candidate is going to completely go against its party's values? I dont, and that's basically what I said.

Are you part of the anti-obama "cult"? Is the pot calling the kettle black?

[Farbin Kaiber]

I support Obama because he has been through a lot in his life. Not only did he not have a father growing up, but he has become a very successful man in spite of it. He's not like other candidates who have been fed with a silver spoon and have no clue as to what the life of an average American is like. He also promotes policies that are favorable to the common man, and not just the elite. I think eight years of having a conservative moron in office is enough. It would be nice to think that the candidates had total control, but they dont. While you may think that Mccain is "different," he will have to support the basic principles that republicans stand for. Right now, I think the dems would move America into a better direction.

That sounds like a cookie cutter "Cult" canned response.