Obama Campaign Theatrics --- woman faints @ rallies a scam?

[brandondan1]

I think it's important that we do fight for diplomacy. If there were no standards, we would still have the rampant use of chemical agents in warfare, and mass torture(oh wait...) Is torture even constitutional? It seems like we're becoming no better than terrorists.

Sure it's optimistic to want to "talk things out," but someone has to take a stand even if it seems lame. All evil needs to succeed is the indifference of good people, no? Part of the reason why so many countries hate us now is because we just want to shoot our problems into the ground.

I've heard a lot of good points of why Mccain is a good candidate, and I can respect that. However, Obama seems more sincere and is the better choice for me.

[Maluco]

LOL, WTF...

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

http://obamamessiah.blogspot.com/

[uofom3]

Holy shit, uofom3...dude, you're awesome. Everything you say is soo spot on! I'm so insanely shocked you're in Oregon! I thought everyone there was hippies. Or is that Washington? ;-)

Although, I have to say that globalization is pretty key these days. Like, for CAT, they are building and producing in China, Korea, France, etc - because that's where the customers are. It's just part of making a business stronger and being able to compete in the world market.




I think what goes on here is Obama LOVES to bring up that's he, himself, is a melting pot of multiple races. His father was in africa or something, his mom was something else - blah blah. Obama doesn't know anything about how to run a country, he's a moron. He's just a good speaker, and I think that's how he's gotten this far.



You are ABSOLUTELY right! I can't seem to get anyone I know to understand that Clinton was not responsible for the great economy when he was in office. The new President doesn't get into his Oval office, sit down at his chair, and wave a wand and make the economy better in a month. Changes take 5-10 years to have any affect at all. Just like you, it blows my mind that no one seems to understand that.



Oh ya, and I love hearing Obama say he wants to talk with the enemies, not "shun" them or whatever term he used.

Why don't we just all hold hands and sing campfire songs???!

Oh ya...cause some terrorist would blow all the peaceful people up!!!

This is gettin good! :D

We're not all nuts out here - just the majority.

[e30sd]

holy crap a civilized convo on politics with r3vers? someone bookmark this.

[Ral]

lol nice clausewitz quote, you watch crimson tide again?+

Nope, the only thing I remember (well, sort of) from writing a 15-page paper last semester. And for the record- FUCK. SUBMARINES. They may get paid a lot, but there's no price on daylight. Or, not being anal-retentive. Or, anal virginity, for that matter.

And, I agree. I wasn't arguing for the "cowboy" approach to foreign policy as it seems to have been practiced so far. But, given the global environment we're in (and the people trying to kill us), you have to recognize that there will be some with whom diplomacy won't work. Aside from that (i.e. airspace/base utilization, operations within foreign countries, etc) it's essential and should have been dealt with using more care.

[e30sd]

lol nice clausewitz quote, you watch crimson tide again?+

[e30sd]

e30sd, While I still think that the Bush administration has acted extremely immature and irresponsible (like giving a 14 year old 6 hours at the mall with Daddy's Platinum credit card kind of irresponsible), There's more to the story that you, me, and almost everyone within the country that's not directly involved in running the country would know. So, I'm not sure that argument is completely fair given the world events Bush has had to find his way through that Clinton didn't do.

Not defending Bush, just trying to interject some perspective.

navy, US foreign policy is no secret. that's the astounding part, there is no attempt to keep it secret. ever read the national review? heard of william kristol? ever see a press conference with the background "american enterprise institute?" im sure there is some justification for carrying policy like it's been. frontline did a piece on the cheney white house a while back. these people actually believe they are doing the right thing, that expansion of executive power unchecked is not a bad thing. using the DIA as a framework for domestic espionage, nevermind pissing off the CIA cause they already did it, but moreso the Fibs and the strict constructionists who are outraged by the use of the constitution as a doormat to the office of special plans at the pentagon. navy, i gather you are in the armed forces and i thank you for your service. but I like you am a patriot. i love this country. i think it has been an excellent example of how a liberal democracy can function well. but allowing this line of progression (degression?) to continue would border on treachery. seriously. being a patriot means defending your country. with a force, or with words. a lot can be done to ensure regional and international security if we do let someone talk. i'm not advocating no war. fuck no, we need AFSOC, SOCOM, and all that cool covert shit. all i'm saying is that unilateral action affords us no leverage in an international playing field. the days of american hegemony may be ending, is that such a bad thing? is it worth trashing the ideals this country was based on? maybe, maybe not. depends what bumper sticker you're rocking.

[Ral]

And one last thing about diplomacy- it has its place, and should have been used more effectively on the path to war. (War is politics carried out by other means- Karl Von Clausewitz)

But, keep in mind that those you want to talk with don't always want to talk with you. Diplomacy works if both parties have respect for each other as civil nations, and regard each other in similar terms. This doesn't apply to those trying to kill us. So, while you talk to them and plead with them, I'll be flying either the jet that kills the people waiting to kill you, the jet that shuts down their communications so they can't talk to each other, or the helicopter that's gonna get filled with bullet holes trying to get you out when you see that "they don't want to reason" and suddenly you're surrounded by men with beards, turbans, and AK-47's.

[Sean]

You know, I'm kinda wondering the same thing Navy - there's got to be a ton of information that the general public has no idea about.

I'd laugh if when Hilliary or Obama get in, and don't leave Iraq, because they learned of some secret military things that only the president knows about.

[rwh11385]

Look at our economy right now, and tell me that the republicans are doing a good job.

The republicans are doing a good job.

[Ral]

e30sd, While I still think that the Bush administration has acted extremely immature and irresponsible (like giving a 14 year old 6 hours at the mall with Daddy's Platinum credit card kind of irresponsible), There's more to the story that you, me, and almost everyone within the country that's not directly involved in running the country would know. So, I'm not sure that argument is completely fair given the world events Bush has had to find his way through that Clinton didn't do.

Not defending Bush, just trying to interject some perspective.

[E30 Wagen]

I can just picture Obama sitting in the oval office the first day with a constipated look on his face thinking to himself, "Oh shit, I actually won. Now what?"

[rwh11385]

I sent this one hardcore liberal chick I know an article regarding why socialized healthcare is not an effective way to administer healthcare - both in the quality of care and the economic ramifications. She responded, "Oh, you know I don't read stuff"..... then how the HELL do you know anything about wtf is going on then?

/rant.

I say bring back tests at the poles! [srsly]

Free ER care sounds great! ... until you break your foot you think and don't get looked at for 6 hours. My friend went through that this summer in the UK. I love how people support different social programs without ANY conceptualization of their real effects.

The best candidate that I see out there right now is McCain.

welll, duuuuuh ;) hopefully the rest of the nation will feel the same way :D

[Sean]

clinton was no saint, but he didn't blow an $80 billion surplus in seconds.

Not saying Bush has been great either. lol But, I don't hate him like 80% of the country.

[e30sd]

You are ABSOLUTELY right! I can't seem to get anyone I know to understand that Clinton was not responsible for the great economy when he was in office. The new President doesn't get into his Oval office, sit down at his chair, and wave a wand and make the economy better in a month. Changes take 5-10 years to have any affect at all. Just like you, it blows my mind that no one seems to understand that.

clinton was no saint, but he didn't blow an $80 billion surplus in seconds.