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    US Citizens must ask for permission to travel?

    it looks like it may in in the infancy stages of restricted travel...

    Does this make anyone uneasy...or worse?



    Soon U.S. Citizens Must Ask for Government Permission to Fly or Travel
    Thursday,

    February 28, 2008
    by: David Gutierrez

    (NaturalNews) The Department of Homeland Security's Transportation Security Administration (TSA) is moving forward to institute a rule that would require all passengers to go through a government review process before boarding any airplane that takes off or lands anywhere with in the United States.

    The U.S. government already requires international passengers to participate in the Advanced Passenger Information System, providing their full name, gender, date of birth, nationality, country of residence, and travel document type and number to the TSA before boarding. Under the proposed Secure Flight Program, this procedure would also be required on domestic flights.

    Currently, individual airlines are responsible for checking the passenger manifests against the "no fly" and "enhanced screening" lists provided by the TSA. The new programs are part of a concerted effort to centralize this process, so that the TSA itself will check all supplied information against these lists, and then instruct the airline or airport staff as to how to proceed.

    The Association of Corporate Travel Executives (ACTE) has criticized the new Secure Flight rules for their secrecy and lack of accountability. The association has expressed concern that there is no clear appeals process for passengers denied boarding or continually forced to undergo enhanced security screening.

    "On the surface, the new Secure Flight program no longer relies on commercial databases and appears to have reduced the number of names on the 'No Fly' list," said ACTE Executive Director Susan Gurley. "It also seems that the responsibility for checking data is no longer abrogated to the airlines. While this is a step in the right direction, it prompts the industry to ask what was the origin of this new data, how is it stored, who has access to it, and how can it be corrected."


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    what. the. fuck.

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      #3
      it will just be one more legacy of the bush administration we will have to deal with over the coming decades
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        Are chemtrail flights exempt?

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          #5
          So, all you have to do is give them your full name, gender, date of birth, nationality, country of residence, and travel document type and number? Don't you all ready give then all that anyway?

          I mean, your name is on the ticket, your nationality would be American, unless you are from out of the country, in which your passport would say, your date of birth is on your ID which they check when you get your ticket, your country of residence is on your ID and I'm not sure what they men by travel document.

          I don't know, seems kind of like a redundant system.

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            #6
            LOL I work for the TSA, This will go over like a fart in church. If the Tsa is involved than it will be fucked up

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              #7
              Small price to pay in regards to the extremes something like that is meant to avert. Even while traveling domestic, I take my Brasilian passport, my resident alien card and of course state ID.... You never know what's going to happen so be ready.

              This does of course only help to build the beast's system. Just give me my fkn bar code already....

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sean5294 View Post
                LOL I work for the TSA, This will go over like a fart in church. If the Tsa is involved than it will be fucked up

                Thats reassuring.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by hugh jass View Post
                  it will just be one more legacy of the bush administration we will have to deal with over the coming decades
                  hahahahaha ill bet your mistress pelosi's name is involved with this one.
                  more government ,less freedom. get used to it you filthy hippy. when you vote hillary later in the year im going to call you and laugh at you
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by NitroRustlerDriver View Post
                    So, all you have to do is give them your full name, gender, date of birth, nationality, country of residence, and travel document type and number? Don't you all ready give then all that anyway?

                    I mean, your name is on the ticket, your nationality would be American, unless you are from out of the country, in which your passport would say, your date of birth is on your ID which they check when you get your ticket, your country of residence is on your ID and I'm not sure what they men by travel document.

                    I don't know, seems kind of like a redundant system.
                    you are correct,if you read thru all the bullshit it sounds like they are taking the responsibility away from the airlines and creating another entity
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                      #11
                      creating an entity in which the government will be able to track your where abouts and movements. Its the way big brother can wear down your civil liberties and start controlling the people.

                      (They already have it for your cars if you guys have what they call here the speed pass for tolls. The cameras even take pictures of your plate for possible Amber alerts.)


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                        #12
                        The airports in the Washington DC area are doing this on a voluntary basis. Flyclear.com has this system where they issue smart cards to people who don't want to be screened at the airport. They will probably remain in every aspect of your life in exchange for being able to walk right on the plane without having to take your shoes off.

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                          #13
                          LOL, I just remembered O'Hare security pulling my mother aside for further screening this past September. WTF.... Seriously......

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                            #14
                            O’Hare is one of the worst airports to fly out of, I know because I have to do almost every week. This would just add one more pain in the ass thing to deal with. When I fly in from Mexico I practically walk right onto the plane, so what good is all this "security" in the US is you can just get on a US bound plane in Mexico? Not to mention the numerous reports of dummy bombs being snuck onto planes in US airports, it's just a safety blanket for piece of mind.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by blunt View Post
                              hahahahaha ill bet your mistress pelosi's name is involved with this one.
                              more government ,less freedom. get used to it you filthy hippy. when you vote hillary later in the year im going to call you and laugh at you
                              Except that your buddy Bush has done more to take away our freedom than any president in modern memory. Domestic surveilance? warrantless wiretapping? ring any bells Blunt?

                              And no, this doesn't sound at all like Nancy Pelosi. This sounds like Homeland Security wanting more funding from next year's budget for them to waste on useless crap.

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