Religion Poll

[Turf1600]

Regardless of religion, denomination and/or faith, everyone was born sinners according to my religion.

fixed

[Maluco]

fixed

My apologies, I figured my first statement would have sufficed. Maybe you missed it in your haste to find something to "fix".

"I admit I'm a hypocrite and a sinner and I speak for myself, relating these words to my own belief. Take from it what you will... "

[Turf1600]

My apologies, I figured my first statement would have sufficed. Maybe you missed it in your haste to find something to "fix".

"I admit I'm a hypocrite and a sinner and I speak for myself, relating these words to my own belief. Take from it what you will... "

I got that - the word everyone just messed it up for you. No hard feelings.

[Maluco]

I got that - the word everyone just messed it up for you. No hard feelings.

Never any hard feelings. Nothing messed up anything for me. I believe you are still missing what I attempted to establish in that first statement. To me, in my faith, in my religion, "everyone" was born a sinner.

[Farbin Kaiber]

Never any hard feelings. Nothing messed up anything for me. I believe you are still missing what I attempted to establish in that first statement. To me, in my faith, in my religion, "everyone" is born a sinner.

Fixed, I wanted to be a semantics nazi.

[Turf1600]

Never any hard feelings. Nothing messed up anything for me. I believe you are still missing what I attempted to establish in that first statement. To me, in my faith, in my religion, "everyone" was born a sinner.

Gotcha. Calvinism has lasted a long time.

[Addissimo]

OK, how about this:

Every living thing has an energy...everything. That energy is shared, unseen, unmeasurable, yet perceived by us simple humans. For lack of a better understanding, or a better word, that energy is God.

Pagan? Sure. Neo-pagan? Sure. Wiccan, even? Sure. Christian? Not a fucking chance.

My whole issue is the collection plate. Real religions do not require money, nor do they "absolve us of our sins", nor do they have property, nor do they use guilt or fear as a primary motivator, especially when the primary purpose is to collect money!

Be good so you go to heaven? Bullshit. Drink and drive, fuck your buddies wife, have sex with a minor, cheat, steal and lie...fuck paying your taxes, just pray and ask "forgiveness"...well fuck that and fuck you, I don't forgive!

What the hell is wrong with being good just for the simple sake of being good?

Try it sometimes. It feels really good.

Awesome!

I agree with alot of this.

I believe in alot of crazy shit too, though: Auras, chakras, ascended masters, light bodies, beings without physical form, aliens, different levels of consciousness, jelly beans, etc... But I also respect those who believe in, and practice different religions... to an extent. I'm still yet to see a religious person treat me as I treat them: with respect. I'm yet to see anything bring as much death, destruction, hate and prejudice as religion has.

I really wish we could just throw everything out in favor of love. I know it sounds hokey and about 40 years too late, but it is true. People are too caught up in their personal lives and biases looking to their book of faith for answers. I think they find the answer, and missinterpret the meaning- leading to all the fucked up shit that happens in this world.

-Addis

[decay]

raised presbyterian, atheist now.

[kowalski]

I would agree with you that there are christian churches out there that are driven by money. I do not attend one and having a collection plate or tithe does not mean they are driven by money (obviously some are, but not all). Being money driven as a church is wrong. Receiving tithe to keep the building running, etc is not. It is only right to give if you are called to give. Not called or pressured by a pastor, friend, or anyone else. Giving is something between you and God, and personally I don't think giving should happen unless you are a regular attender or member of the church (unless you are specifically called, but I am more talking on a general sense).

I would encourage you not to look at the bad churches that are doing sinful things under a certain title and generalize that across the entire religion they are "identifying" themselves with. That would be similar to me saying that your shop does hack job work and screws people because some other shop across town that installs stereos does hack work and screwed me in the past.

There are a lot of screwed up churches out there. Some of them even say they believe similar things to what I believe. Them truly believing that is a different story, but in many cases is very obvious.

QFT

[Midnight Sun]

I guess other. Sorta undecided. Doing hallucinogens kinda changed my outlook on organized religion. There's just too many events that happened in the creation of the universe such that a little rocky planet like earth has just the right rotational speed and orbit around the pefect star to support life for there not to be a god. Just my opinion though.

On the flipside of that. The existence is infinite. So in an infinity, is absolutely impossible for there not to the proper circumstances for life on earth.


I think the better people understand the concept of infinity, the less religious they are.


And the poll left out agnostic.. Which is me!

[Firestorm]

That is all.





inb4 ban.

[uofom3]

curious what all the Obama supporters will say when I post up a lengthy thread about his Pastor - suddenly religion will become something to think about.

[StereoInstaller1]

All I know is that if someone (me) openly identifies themselves as Pagan (which I am) most people assume that it is some form of Satanism...when in fact, our main idealogy is symbolized by the 5 sided star, generally called the Pentacle, which has 5 sides for a reason: they symbolize the 5 parts of a human: Air, Earth, Fire, Water, Spirit.

Not much room for worshiping an inherently evil character, much less a Satan.

I personally do not believe in any form of afterlife, heaven nor hell. I believe in treating others as I want to be treated, which also means NOT proselytizing my beliefs. Discussion is fine, but I do not want to force my beliefs on anyone.

On a different note, I find it amazing that this thread has gone on this long without any significant argument! Good job, guys, keeping it a discussion!

Luke

[drift]

Either or...

What do you think ? :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WXKT8IPdvzA&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=23LaK99PEko

Religion doesn't save. But...

[joshh]

curious what all the Obama supporters will say when I post up a lengthy thread about his Pastor - suddenly religion will become something to think about.

OMG do it!!
If anyone tries to defend that guy now.............

Anyone with an once of logic will see he's been with that church for over 20 years....does anyone really doubt he hasn't heard that POS speak at a "sermon" before. And the guy was a Marine.

It really needs its own thread though.