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Isn't it interesting how people latch on to the whole Rev. Wright thing, yet completely ignore McCain and Hagee?
As far as i'm concerned, 'God dam America' and 'The Catholic Church is the Great Whore' are both equally reprehensible. The difference is, Obama has divorced himself from Wright. Last I heard, McCain was still accepting Hagee's endorsement.Comment
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Ok so why is it not a problem that Obama is still attached to Ayers?Comment
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Did McCain sit in Hagee's church for 20 years?
Did Hagee preside over McCains marriage vows?
Another stretch, not even close.
"I attended Rev Wright's church for 20 years, but I didn't inhale"
Obama only divorced himself from Wright because it was politically expedient, not because it was a personal choice, or because it was the right thing to do.
If not for the exposure of this racist Rev. Obama would still be attending his church.
Why is Obama suing a radio station trying to silence them about his ties to Ayers?sigpic
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No, but do you have to do one of those 2 things to be associated with someone? Or can you be associated in another way, such as a political endorsement? If Wright had endorsed Obama, you would be crying and screaming. But when Hagee endorses McCain, you dont seem to give a damn. interesting how that works.....Comment
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"who shouldnt be spreading their liberal views in school in the first place"
i thought we live in a country with free speech? i think everyone has a right to say anything they want. it's their american god given right! that is one of the things that makes america great. now the thing that is important is that you don't take everything you here from teachers, parents, preachers, friends and other people you know or listen to for granted. you need to be smart enough to take everything with a grane of salt. school should be a place that promotes thought and a few differing points of veiw so that smart people can make up their own minds on what they think is right for them. it should not be a place where kids are brain washed with nazi republican, or hippy democrat bull shit.
also i think what people are trying to say here is that some one who speakes in such hateful ways is no better then the ignorant ass he is speaking against.
blunt. you shouldn't post things up that call people that have other opinions then you dumb and stupid even if they are. come up with a more creative way to prove them wrong. everyone here has a right to expres there thoughts and if you are really as smart and scollerly as you seam to think you are you would listen to them, give it some thought, and then argue about it in a constructive way that promotes more thought instead of hate against you and your school of thought. the way you speak just makes people hate you and think your a hick, just the same way the way that some of the libs on this sight make them selves sound like soy eating hippys.
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"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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If Obama wins the election:
- pull all money out of the stock market
If Obama loses the election:
- I'll continue to live life as I do now.
People are fools to think this guy, a single guy, is going to change this country to the point that we will all live in prosperity and total peace and happiness. It's also seriously funny because it has become "cool" amongst hyper-privileged college kids who don't pay any taxes or have "real jobs" to be pro-Obama because he's "cool"; completely ignoring the ramifications for what they are supporting because they have an ignorant "down with the establishment, fuck the people in power" attitude. Let's see how that pans out when they government pulls 20% off the top of their pay check (Federal). BUT, most people in college get a degree that is worthless unless they go to grad school (then they become "professional students" and think they are better than everyone else because they have this massive education in a discipline that is basically worth a handful of monkey shit. that's when they engage in social engineering and politics because they have this education and assume they know better for others i.e. what's happening now). College students should not be allowed to vote (and i would have lumped my self into that at the time).
Obama can't take my job or home away. However, he can regulate my cars off the road, garnish my wages, and redistribute what I leave behind.
You want to know how the conservative party could win every single election accross the board without even minor competition? Get the union vote. There are a lot of union guys who vote democratic ONLY because they think it will translate to better wages for them. I can't say I hold a grudge or would argue with them; they are just trying to do what will make their lives the best and I can't fault a man for that. Some of these people I have talked to admittedly disagree with just about every other platform of the party. Conservatives find a way to reconcile with the unions, liberals won't win another election.Last edited by uofom3; 08-28-2008, 08:16 PM.PNW Crew
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here is a nother point of view. take it or leave it.
John McCain's domestic terrorism problem
As John McCain continues using guilt-by-association tactics to falsely portray his political opponent as a radical terrorist sympathizer, it's worth remembering that McCain himself has a little terrorism problem of his own.
McCain's terrorism problem dates back to the early 1990s, when he sided with right-wing domestic terrorists and voted against tough new legislation cracking down on a wave of anti-choice domestic terrorism targeting women who visited abortion clinics, their doctors, and clinic staff.
In both 1993 and 1994, McCain voted against the anti-terrorism measure. On each occasion, McCain was one of thirty radical anti-choice Senators to oppose the bill Fortunately, despite McCain's opposition, it passed the Senate by a 69-30 margin.
At the time, right-wing anti-choice extremists were terrorizing women, doctors, and clinic staff across the United States with thousands of acts of physical violence and threats of violence each year. The new legislation was necessary because in early 1993, the Supreme Court had ruled that even though the terrorism crossed state lines, the federal government could not protect clinics without a specific grant of statutory authority.
After Dr. David Gunn was murdered by an anti-choice terrorist outside the Pensacola Women's Medical Services clinic, Congress finally passed the much-needed legislation giving authorities the tool they needed to protect women, doctors, and clinic staff from the ongoing threat of terrorism.
Most Americans welcomed the new law -- even including far-right conservatives such as Kentucky Sen. Mitch McConnell. Nonetheless, John McCain stood by his extremist views and opposed the anti-terror bill.
McCain's radical position against the anti-terrorism legislation is clearly relevant in light of his recent attacks on his Democratic opponent. Although there is no indication that McCain himself supported any of the specific acts of domestic terrorism against women, their doctors, or clinic staff, radical anti-choice activists strongly supported his vote against the legislation, hoping to deprive the Federal government of an important legal tool for combating domestic terrorism.
Fortunately, moderate voices prevailed, and John McCain's dangerously tolerant attitude towards domestic terrorism against women, their doctors, and clinic staff was defeated.
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McCain's reluctance to crack down on domestic terrorism against women, their doctors, and clinic staff illustrates his extremist views on reproductive freedom. Unfortunately, many women -- including an alarming number of his own supporters -- are unaware of just how radical McCain's positions are.
McCain: Consistently anti-choice
According to a March, 2008 survey of women in battleground states conducted for Planned Parenthood, half of women voters do not know whether McCain is pro-choice or anti-choice. Even more striking, 46% of women who support McCain want are pro-choice, and 36% of those pro-choice, pro-McCain women said they were less likely to vote for McCain once learning about his staunch anti-choice record.
Now that McCain has decided to make terrorism an issue in the campaign, voters deserve to know more about his decision to side with domestic terrorists and against women, their doctors, and clinic staff. In the process of telling that story, pro-choice Americans will learn more about his radical and extreme views on reproductive freedom -- and his strange tolerance of domestic terrorism.
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More details on the anti-terrorism legislation opposed by McCain:
At issue is a 1994 law protecting abortion clinics from anti-choice terrorism. In May, 1994 the Senate passed the legislation by a 69-30 margin, and John McCain was among the cabal of anti-choice Senators who voted against the bill.
McCain's opposition to the legislation is rather remarkable. Its provisions were narrowly tailored to protect clinics from the wave of anti-choice terrorism that was sweeping the nation at the time. (Read the full legislation here.)
Here's how the New York Times described the new law when it first passed the Senate in November, 1993 (it passed by the same margin as the final bill, and McCain opposed it both times):
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"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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Believe everything you read on the internet.
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I was going to say I know you did not write that! :)Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs!
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and before anyone starts going off about abortion or free choice i just want to say that i don't think anyone has the right to tell anyone what to do with their body or life. i don't give a fuck if you think they are killing some one! there are to many people in this world as is. again free choice. their life, their freedom. don't fuck that!sigpic
"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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"The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten."
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Didn't you just say "before anyone goes off" and then you went off?
There are a lot of reasons to support pro-choice viewpoints. However, you are really oversimplifying a seriously complex issue... It's not just their body that you are making sure to "don't fuck that!".
A lot of peoples opinions change when they have kids - both directions.PNW Crew
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