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  • //MPower
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    lowering the bar?

    Congressional approval ratings are at their lowest point in the history of the United States.

    Bush's approval ratings are lower than Nixon's were when he resigned.

    I don't see how the bar could get any lower...

    The pig comment was definitely taken way out of context. Rather than talk about actual political issues, mainstream news just blows up on meaningless things like this.

    Obama (the so called anti-war candidate) is talking about actions against Russia and Afghanistan, and Iran, but what we get is this "he said" "she said" high-school mentality bullshit. It's pathetic.

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  • ragged325
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    This is Mitt Romney's take on all of this.



    Will someone please tell me if he is this ignorant or a liar? I'm not sure which is scarier.

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  • uofom3
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    Originally posted by Farbin Kaiber
    Eh, whats going on?





    I will say, from someone not into the specifics of outside political systems, (Communism, Socialism, Marxism, etc.) but, after doing a bit of reading before tuning in to watch Keith Olbermann give him the soft stroke while Bill O'Reilly called him "Robin Hood Obama" (not in a good way) I did hear a bunch of things that could be construed as "Socialism"
    Farbin, nono, income redistribution is "neighborly" - isn't it funny how things are taken when you repackage socialism/wealth redistribution under the guise of being "neighborly".

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  • ragged325
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    BTW, here's the commercial:

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  • ragged325
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    Originally posted by uofom3
    It's not a lie. He gave a press conference where he backed up his previous decision.

    Obama will never win the integrity battle with McCain. Sorry. That's why he's not picking that fight.


    The original controversy dates to 2003, when a bill to modify the teaching of sex education in Illinois was introduced in the Legislature. The proposal was supported by a coalition of education and public health organizations, including the Illinois Parent Teacher Association, the Illinois State Medical Society, the Illinois Public Health Association and the Illinois Education Association.

    Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for “age and developmentally appropriate” sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.

    In referring to the sex-education bill, the McCain campaign is largely recycling old and discredited accusations made against Mr. Obama by Alan Keyes in their 2004 Senate race. At that time, Mr. Obama stated that he understood the main objective of the legislation, as it pertained to kindergarteners, to be to teach them how to defend themselves against sexual predators.

    “I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 3-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean,” Mr. Obama said in 2004. “And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age.”

    Misrepresenting 'comprehensive'
    It is a misstatement of the bill’s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, “medically accurate” education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.

    The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by “comprehensive.” The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.

    In another part of the advertisement, Mr. McCain maintains that Mr. Obama’s sole achievement in education was the sex-education bill. In reality, Mr. Obama not only helped administer a $49 million education project in Chicago in the 1990s, but also sponsored or co-sponsored measures that increased the number of charter schools in Illinois, and expanded federal grants to summer school programs and to historically black colleges.

    As support for its contention that Mr. Obama is “wrong on education,” Mr. McCain’s advertisement cited criticism by Education Week, a trade publication. Mr. Obama “hasn’t made a significant mark on education” in his years in the Senate in Illinois and Washington, the advertisement asserts.

    Education Week did indeed make that assessment in an article published last year. But in the same paragraph, the magazine also said that Mr. Obama “did promote early-childhood initiatives that advocates considered “innovative and progressive,” and also noted that “his biggest accomplishment in the field was the creation of a state board to oversee the expansion of early-childhood education in the state.”

    'Vague answers' on education
    The same publication has also criticized Mr. McCain, in language that was perhaps even stronger. Early this year, in an article titled “John McCain Where Art Thou?” it complained that he offered “a laundry list of fairly vague answers” on how to improve schools and did not make education a priority.

    “McCain is a campaign-finance, foreign-relations, anti-abortion, tax-cut candidate,” the magazine said. “Education is not his thing. Depending on your perspective, McCain’s relative silence on education may be a good thing. If you think the federal government has grossly overreached into the state business of education, then he may be your guy.”

    The Obama campaign expressed outrage over the commercial, with Bill Burton, a spokesman, describing it as “shameful and downright perverse.”

    But Tucker Bounds, a spokesman for the McCain campaign, said, “the Obama campaign did not and cannot dispute a shred of the content in the ad.”
    I suppose I'd need to cite a Fox News reference for you to believe any of this.

    It's pretty hard to say that McCain has much integrity. If you listened to the Republicans in 2004, you'd think that they didn't like "flip-floppers'. If that were the case, they'd be calling out McCain as a villain.

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  • uofom3
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    The situation is FUBAR.

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  • uofom3
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    Originally posted by ragged325
    McCain has decided to run attack ads that lie about Obama's positions. In one he states that Obama wants to teach kindergartner's sex education. This is a blatant lie that only conservatives would believe. Obama's aide calls McCain out over his lying and your post is that the Democrats are stooping too low? IMHO, McCain's ambition > his integrity.
    It's not a lie. He gave a press conference where he backed up his previous decision.

    Obama will never win the integrity battle with McCain. Sorry. That's why he's not picking that fight.

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  • kowalski
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    Originally posted by Raxe
    You think that's bad, try following Canadian politics. We're only 48 hours into our federal election and we already have vicious attack ads flying left and right. Happens every single time.

    and its being held a year early, after our very prime minister changed the law so that the elections would be held every 3 years. however, because the governor general felt it was a good time to have an election, WTF.

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  • Hallen
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    Originally posted by StereoInstaller1
    I am neither Red nor blue, but I recognize a waffleswaffleswaffleswaffles when I see it.

    Have any of you seen the anti-Palin email floating around? Confirmed as true, a person who has basically known Palin all her life.
    This one statement "Fourth, she has hated me since back in 1996, when I was one of the 100 or so people who rallied to support the City Librarian against Sarah's attempt at censorship." pretty much invalidates that entire letter. It puts it into the category of disgruntled person who has an agenda. It's just the same as the emails lavishing praise on Palin. Chances are, the truth is nothing like any of those letters.

    The censorship thing has been proven to be false.

    That is my biggest problem with all of this stuff. It is getting more and more impossible to get out the truth; find out what the record really is; find out what these people really stand for. That is why shit like "It's time for change" (which was used by Bill Clinton to win and now is used by Obama) draws people in like moths to a flame. There is no substance. But people seem to like that because it doesn't lead to confusion and conflict by marring the dream with reality.
    There are probably some facts in that letter. However, if you were really there, and you really had all the information, it would probably turn into a non issue altogether. You can't be in public office without making enemies and without doing things you would rather not do (its that ugly "compromise" thing that happens in politics). Anyway, Palin is probably too full of herself. Obama certainly is.

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  • Farbin Kaiber
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    Eh, whats going on?


    Originally posted by Vedubin01
    I guess you dont read much.... Communism is a branch of socialism and the way that Obama speaks, he is more of a socialist than capitalist. CNN is all up Obamas ass as proof of the two anchors that just got fired because being way to over the top. I could get into this more but might hurt someone's head.

    I will say, from someone not into the specifics of outside political systems, (Communism, Socialism, Marxism, etc.) but, after doing a bit of reading before tuning in to watch Keith Olbermann give him the soft stroke while Bill O'Reilly called him "Robin Hood Obama" (not in a good way) I did hear a bunch of things that could be construed as "Socialism"

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  • Vedubin01
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    Originally posted by Sam Cogley
    Stupidest. Comment. Ever.

    I guess you dont read much.... Communism is a branch of socialism and the way that Obama speaks, he is more of a socialist than capitalist. CNN is all up Obamas ass as proof of the two anchors that just got fired because being way to over the top. I could get into this more but might hurt someone's head.

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  • Miasma
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    Originally posted by blunt
    theres probably a lot thats true in there. and theres probably a lot thats not. all one can do is go by what comes out of their own mouths and try to sift thru the bullshit.
    Pretty much sums up how I feel about this election.

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  • e30polak
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    Politics are a load of crap. This country is going down the shit hole no matter what.

    The only change being brought on by this election is whether an old white man, or a younger black man will destroy this nation quicker.

    Cliff notes: The U.S is fucked no matter who you vote for. Politicians don't do what they promise, those days are over.

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  • blunttech
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    Originally posted by AriasATX
    Great post Luke. Hope all that stands up to be true and not another fake attack.
    theres probably a lot thats true in there. and theres probably a lot thats not. same goes for obama lies and facts. all one can do is go by what comes out of their own mouths and try to sift thru the bullshit. theres always a disgruntled person somewhere looking to smear someone. just look what happened when i stained farbins shirt with poor aim. he turned on me

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  • Miasma
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    Great post Luke. Hope all that stands up to be true and not another fake attack.

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