McCain and Obama's tax plans laid out in a graph

[Turf1600]

So you are voting for McCain and make $161,000?

I make somewhere inside of that tax bracket - yes. However, I'm going to vote for Obama. While I'm fiscally conservative, some of the stuff McCain wants is just stupid - especially revolving around healthcare which is obviously of great importance to me.

I'm not trying to be selfish. However, it's stupid for me to want to do something that has a negative impact on me and my family. I had to pay over 5 grand last year in taxes. The same argument could be made against those who make over 600k per year - that they are selfish.

I agree with you guys - the taxes being placed on the incredibly rich is insane. However, I feel like I pay my fair share as it is.

It's as if the effects and/or after-effects on other people, companies etc will not also have a great impact on them as well as family and friends... There are repercussions to all this shit.

Yeah - I get it. I see both sides. My dad just got his hours slashed at work. But this "let's make sure the rich people are still making money so they can pay me" attitude doesn't make sense to me. Maybe that's just because I would rather be an employer than an employee.

[Julien]

it's incredible how so many people consider me, me ,me, my shit, my circumstances, what do I get up front.

It's as if the effects and/or after-effects on other people, companies etc will not also have a great impact on them as well as family and friends... There are repercussions to all this shit.

says the guy who is too busy looking at palin's tits to make a decent policital thread and/or argument



Julien

[regnu]

two words

Fair Tax.

/thread

[rwh11385]

Yeah - I get it. I see both sides. My dad just got his hours slashed at work. But this "let's make sure the rich people are still making money so they can pay me" attitude doesn't make sense to me. Maybe that's just because I would rather be an employer than an employee.

Um, with senior management salaries and corporate post-tax profits at stake, employee jobs are at risk, i think. Why would anyone want to have a company in the US these days, besides the high productivity (and not like you need high quality, high productivity to make RCA TVs). Other than maybe localized production for US consumption.

Anyway, since much of the US economy is services... there is not the same need for localized sale as much, so if Obama is elected they may be pressure for companies to relocate to more free economies.

I'm certainly going to evaluate the possibility of being an ex-pat if Mr. Socialist is elected and come back with the GOP is back in power.

[Julien]

Fyi:
The "rich people" don't pay you... A company does:

If your employer (who is also the owner of a said company) pays himself a healthy chunk of the retained earings of company X, that is his/her call, and that is what they will be personally taxed on and has nothing to do with the money being spent on employees.
The corporation will pay you and be taxed on profit which will decrease if they spend more money paying you, the employee.
What is scary is the reduction of purchasing power of the lower & middle class: under 100k (which is who obama is giving a tax break too... per the article), once this buying force drops out (if their taxes increase or they loose their job), the economy will no longer have the necessary recources to generate money/jobs/etc.
Give tax breaks to the rich... they will more than likely save more (I have an article to back this up.. but don't have a link at the moment)... In other words will stay in some CD (and loaned back out to poorer people) or be but in some blue chip mutual fund.


and to psloan: every republican is a fiscal conservative... saying you are lib / democrat & a fiscal conservative is double dipping. doesn't work.





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[Julien]

Anyway, since much of the US economy is services... there is not the same need for localized sale as much, so if Obama is elected they may be pressure for companies to relocate to more free economies.

economics boy... your party is the one deporting jobs... even service jobs. What country were you thinking of moving to? I can't think of a more ass-backwards conservative place than the US..


Julien

[Turf1600]

Fyi:
The "rich people" don't pay you... A company does:

If your employer (who is also the owner of a said company) pays himself a healthy chunk of the retained earings of company X, that is his/her call, and that is what they will be personally taxed on and has nothing to do with the money being spent on employees.
The corporation will pay you and be taxed on profit which will decrease if they spend more money paying you, the employee.
What is scary is the reduction of purchasing power of the lower & middle class: under 100k (which is who obama is giving a tax break too... per the article), once this buying force drops out (if their taxes increase or they loose their job), the economy will no longer have the necessary recources to generate money/jobs/etc.
Give tax breaks to the rich... they will more than likely save more (I have an article to back this up.. but don't have a link at the moment)... In other words will stay in some CD (and loaned back out to poorer people) or be but in some blue chip mutual fund.


and to psloan: every rebulican is fiscal conservative... saying you are lib / democrat & a fiscal conservative is double dipping. doesn't work.





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I'm a self-proclaimed libertarian. I love abortion, atheistm, and all things socially frowned upon by the right. However, I don't support govt programs and feel that the US population has forgotten how to take responsibility for their own actions, generally speaking. I don't think the govt should hold idiots by the hand and walk them through life - making their decisions for them all the while giving them hand-outs for being inadequately prepared for their own life.

[devonjordan]

Fyi:



and to psloan: every rebulican is fiscal conservative... saying you are lib / democrat & a fiscal conservative is double dipping. doesn't work.





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He cant like some stuff from both sides?

Thats why I hate our "democracy"

[rwh11385]

economics boy... your party is the one deporting jobs... even service jobs. What country were you thinking of moving to? I can't think of a more ass-backwards conservative place than the US..


Julien

There's a difference between jobs that should be outsourced to maintain competitiveness (especially with min wage increases) and then making companies want to get out. US has the 2nd highest corporate tax rate, plus idiots fighting for power who think that successful businesses should be punished with "windfall profits" taxes...

I could think of a few more economically free nations right now. (granted a lot of that is because of defense spending, but still). But I enjoyed work in the UK

[rwh11385]

and to psloan: every republican is a fiscal conservative... saying you are lib / democrat & a fiscal conservative is double dipping. doesn't work.

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Yo frog. Fiscal conservative + social liberal = libertarian you dolt.

[StereoInstaller1]

What I find surprising is how many people argue about some pre-election "proposal"

None of the Congressmen or Senators have been truly involved yet, have they?

[eric (^__^)]

Yo frog. Fiscal conservative + social liberal = libertarian you dolt.

ok, this made me giggle

[Maluco]

says the guy who is too busy looking at palin's tits to make a decent policital thread and/or argument



Julien

I've never seen Palin's breasts although someone did post a photoshop of her in the Pictures thread.

What's this "decent" you speak of...

[blunttech]

I'm a self-proclaimed libertarian. I love abortion, atheistm, and all things socially frowned upon by the right. However, I don't support govt programs and feel that the US population has forgotten how to take responsibility for their own actions, generally speaking. I don't think the govt should hold idiots by the hand and walk them through life - making their decisions for them all the while giving them hand-outs for being inadequately prepared for their own life.

and after crafting that post you still sit there and claim youre voting for obama?
i thought you were a reasonably intelligent guy. what you hate is what obama is going to do

[expressfish]

looks like if you fall in the lower three brackets, Obamas your man money wise. I'll go Mcain , keep my guns and take the extra $290 a year. Anyone who falls in the bracket over $600 thousand a year can afford to pay a little extra anyway in my opinion.