A True American!

[Schniddy]

so what your saying is america has nothing to do with their internal affairs? if that is so then where the fuck do we get off trying to police the world if america doesnt determine americas minimum wage, if america has no say in building nuclear plants in america, if america cant control their own intrest rates? if america doesnt decide america's internal affairs who does?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Someone talking from experience.

[napabavarian]

Ferd, I have a one word answer for why there is such big deal about Homos getting married. That word is JESUS. My self have no issues with it let em, so what big deal. Not going to hurt any one of us at all if we allow it.

Churches interpretation of the bible.

[napabavarian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

Someone talking from experience.

I'm not watching the entire thing, but interesting...

[Schniddy]

It is worth the time, it explains a lot of what is going on in America currently.

[SamE30e]

It is worth the time, it explains a lot of what is going on in America currently.

Good video.

[tofubento]

To the Kanuk,

Concerning the portion of the Constituion you are refering to ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL...you have to go back to that time period and understand what MEN/MAN meant during that time period. A man during that time period was ; someone that owned land/property, paid taxes, followed guidelines of the church(s)...was essentially a good man. A straight man. A MAN was not a woman, or a slave or a homosexuall.( and in somecases not IRISH LOLOL )

How can a "gay" be a threat...it goes against 99.9% of religions and 100% against nature. Kind of simple answer honestly. There is so much that I could go into from what Ive learned from my gay friends, and groups over the years that I dont think I could survive the flame storm that would happen if I only stated the truths.

As to your comments about our nation and its founding all together :

ONE NATION UNDER GOD.

This nation was founded under religious guidelines, its as simple as that. Those guidelines and ideals laid down by the Bible, not the church, are what helped lay down the blueprints of our nation. Our forefathers, they where backwater "rednecks" they farmed, and traded and hunted in the country...just like "rednecks"...they had an education through self education. Not some high standard school(s), or great tutors.


*** WARNING POKE AT CANADA ***

You must remember, that Canada was largely founded by people that couldnt take a stand, and didnt want to have a backbone to stand up to a King that was abusing his rights on his subjects. To this day Canada cant handle simple political issues with out running to the "Queen" for help...you know this and whats going on up there now.

As far as the "rednecks" comments, I believe you are a bit misguided. Remember laws and policies are laid in place by SOCIETY. The majority, not the minority. Homosexualls are the minority, and will always be that. Why should the minority be allowed to set precident to the majority? Obama, is also white...people seem to miss that...:p...the thing that gets me the most, is why is it that the black community made the loudest noise about his race.

In the words of my father " any man that runs for president , and plays on his weakness and not his strengths is not a person I would vote for" ...Look at FDR, he suffered from polo and was in a wheel chair!! Not once did he allow that to be used or known during his time that he ran for office. Only after his term did most people even learn of this! Anyone that tries to get elected by a sympathy vote , is not someone that should be in charge of a nation. Your blind faith that Obama is going to change the minds of the people, is amazing. Obama got elected on blind promises and lies...simple as that. Do you honestly think he will be able to do all the things he said he will? if so you need to get out and open your eyes up more to how the world works.

The civil rights movement had started waaaaaaay before the 70s...please do more reading. Do you know what group was hated more then freed slaves?

The Irish, yes thats right the Irish. They where hated more then blacks.

Now, my family is from the south, hertiage as far back as first colonies. Blacks in the south are not hated, and treated as less then humans as hollywood likes to depict them. They are treated as normal humans, but blacks/whites/mexicans/whatevers act like ignorant fools, they get treated as such.

Please show me where Bush believes blacks need to be in the back of the bus?

Guns :

Your blatant ignorance of American laws is astounding, for someone that is trying to talk down Americans about our own laws. Basic bit o' info for you :

1. To be able to own a "machine gun" you need a class 3 license...that means a full background check that takes at least 1 - 3 months. Once you get a class 3 , you agree to be able to be searched at any point and time by police/feds to make sure you are still following all our laws. Needless to say not many people own a class 3.
2. To even be able to have a Concealed Carry Weapon ( ccw ) , you need to pass a background check, fingerprinted, and photographed. Even then, you cant have a ccw if you have any violent crimes on your records, bar fight to hitting your wife. If you have a felony, be it white collar or not.
3. Many states will not allow people to own class 3 weapons or hand guns, and since the new ruling on "right to bear arms" went through. Alot of states that did not allow people to ccw, now have a " may issues "...that basically means if WE think you need it you can have it.

Now, if you look at the states that allow open carry/CCW , they have lower crime rates then those that do not. If you do not believe me , please use google and look. " An armed society , is a polite society."


"To fully understand today, you must understand yesturday first."- Me


I am sure Ive forgotten a few points, Ill touch on those when I Remember them, but thats it for now.

[Ferdinand]

All of that was a waste of time reading.
No one here needs you to bold your words.

Jordan325iC very wisely suggested that we refrain from using ad hominem attacks in our arguments. [Go ahead click on the link. I'm big enough to admit that I had to go look it up myself.] I'm trying, really I am, but there are times when I just can't help myself.

The reason I use bold and underline to highlight what I believe to be the important points in my posts, is that I've noticed people like Joshh and yourself seem to be having a difficult time keeping up, struggling to read or comprehend anything else I've written so far. Try to imagine the bold and underlined bits as the aforementioned colouring books or comic books, and that way you can skip over all the grown up bits which you're having such difficulty understanding. I'll try to include some pictures for you next time, okay?

Because 80% of Americas are Catholic. They do not want them [gays/lesbians] to be "married" in the same way as the traditional marriage.

I'm having a hard time following you here. When you say "Americas", are you referring to the North and South American continent-type Americas? Or did you mean to write, "Americans"?

Try using Google sometimes to research your "facts". You'd be surprised to discover that only less than 25% of Americans are Catholic.

I'll assume you meant to say 80% of Americans call themselves "Christian", of which there must be at least 500 different flavours to choose from, all of which remind me of a joke I saw recently, might even have been here.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said, "Stop! Don’t do it!"
"Why shouldn’t I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there’s so much to live for!"
"Like what?"
"Well ... are you religious or atheist?"
"Religious."
"Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?"
"Christian."
"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Protestant."
"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
"Baptist."
"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
"Baptist Church of God."
"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God."
"Wow! Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"
To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

The point of all that, [pay attention, it's bold and underlined here because this is the important bit], the point is it doesn't matter if you're Catholic, or even if you're Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915, or any other flavour of Christian.

The 1st Amendment to your US Constitution says:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

What that means is that even if 99.9% of Americans adopted some version of the Bible and thus had some claim to being Christian, the other 0.1% that are not Christian would still be entitled to the same equal rights under the law.

The purpose of the Constitution is to ensure that the equal rights of every person under your Constitution, especially the minorities, will always take precedence over whatever flavour of religious hokum is in fashion at the time.

Why are you comparing the Taliban to Americas views of gays and lesbians?
Wait, so like, we're cutting the heads off of gays?

Just like your Catholics, your Christians, your Reformed Baptist Church of God Reformation of 1915, just like your Jews, your Blacks, your Orientals, your Hispanics, and even your Irish, all of which are American citizens just like yourself and entitled to get married even if they aren't "Christian", your gays and lesbians are every bit equally American citizens and entitled to exactly the same rights.

How does it hurt you or anybody else if they marry?

Treating them differently than other American citizens, forcing them to "sit at the back of the bus" so to speak, is not that much different than cutting their heads off.

Long before Hitler managed to figure out a way to kill off Jews in large enough numbers, he first practised his techniques on smaller minorities. Gays and lesbians, the mentally disabled, the physically disabled, Romanian gypsies, all the small minorities that everyone treated as trash anyway and nobody would miss.

Okay, that's all still cool. You can elect anyone you want. That's how the system works. And you fully deserve the consequences of that folly. But the Constitution is there to protect all Americans from exactly this type of thing. You can elect a President who shares your belief that blacks should be forced once again to the back of the bus. But, the Constitution stands as the shining instrument by which your minorities are protected.

Not true, there is so much misinformation, lieng, and cheating going on they we really didnt elect Obama under facts. Do you agree with this?

Again, I speak English, French and German. How the heck am I supposed to agree or disagree with what you just wrote there when I haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to say.

Please try rewriting that in either English, French, or German, and we'll have another go at it.

Why do you keep talking about black on the back of the bus?

Because that was another Constitutional rights violation that people at the time simply accepted as normal. Much like the one in the initial post in this thread.

Absent probable cause, and absent consent, the Homeland Security officers have no right to search your car for drugs at an immigration checkpoint. Refusal to give consent is not grounds for probable cause. Even if you are a disrespectful dick.

How old are you?

Oh, look whose using bold and underline now! It's fun, isn't it?

What difference does it make how old I am? If I say I'm only 13, you'll tell me to grow up and respect my elders. If I tell you I'm 85, you'll call me a senile old fart no longer capable of clear thinking.

Either way, 13 or 85, I'm entitled to my opinions. You're welcome to ignore them if you wish.

[tofubento]

Jordan325iC very wisely suggested that we refrain from using ad hominem attacks in our arguments. [Go ahead click on the link. I'm big enough to admit that I had to go look it up myself.] I'm trying, really I am, but there are times when I just can't help myself.

The reason I use bold and underline to highlight what I believe to be the important points in my posts, is that I've noticed people like Joshh and yourself seem to be having a difficult time keeping up, struggling to read or comprehend anything else I've written so far. Try to imagine the bold and underlined bits as the aforementioned colouring books or comic books, and that way you can skip over all the grown up bits which you're having such difficulty understanding. I'll try to include some pictures for you next time, okay?

Please stop trying to act like your some great writer and lecturer, you are failing at this on a grand level. You come across more as an imature person then anything else


I'm having a hard time following you here. When you say "Americas", are you referring to the North and South American continent-type Americas? Or did you mean to write, "Americans"?

Try using Google sometimes to research your "facts". You'd be surprised to discover that only less than 25% of Americans are Catholic.

I'll assume you meant to say 80% of Americans call themselves "Christian", of which there must be at least 500 different flavours to choose from, all of which remind me of a joke I saw recently, might even have been here.

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. I immediately ran over and said, "Stop! Don’t do it!"
"Why shouldn’t I?" he said.
I said, "Well, there’s so much to live for!"
"Like what?"
"Well ... are you religious or atheist?"
"Religious."
"Me too! Are you Christian or Jewish?"
"Christian."
"Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Protestant."
"Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
"Baptist."
"Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord?"
"Baptist Church of God."
"Me too! Are you Original Baptist Church of God, or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God."
"Wow! Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?"
"Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!"
To which I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

The point of all that, [pay attention, it's bold and underlined here because this is the important bit], the point is it doesn't matter if you're Catholic, or even if you're Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915, or any other flavour of Christian.

The 1st Amendment to your US Constitution says:[INDENT]"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Wrong. What it means is that no favor shall be shown to any one religion. Remember the US was started on people wanting to practice their own religion with out fear of persecution. America then as now, had many versions of christianity, so showing favor to any one version of christianity had the potential to be just like what this country hated.Over the years this has come to allow for all religions and practices...that are demeed ok by society.

The purpose of the Constitution is to ensure that the equal rights of every person under your Constitution, especially the minorities, will always take precedence over whatever flavour of religious hokum is in fashion at the time.
seriously what do they teach in canada about the US

Just like your Catholics, your Christians, your Reformed Baptist Church of God Reformation of 1915, just like your Jews, your Blacks, your Orientals, your Hispanics, and even your Irish, all of which are American citizens just like yourself and entitled to get married even if they aren't "Christian", your gays and lesbians are every bit equally American citizens and entitled to exactly the same rights.

Is not marriage something created by relgions? Why should people that dont follow a religion want to take part in one of its ceromonies? Because society says its the ultimate way of dedicating your self, is to follow religious standards of love and of a family

How does it hurt you or anybody else if they marry?

Treating them differently than other American citizens, forcing them to "sit at the back of the bus" so to speak, is not that much different than cutting their heads off.

Okay so its wrong to treat gays different the others, but are handicapped people not given special treatment? Do women not have doors opened for them? thats special treatment last I checked. Why should a group thats differnt be given the same treat ment as the "norm" ?

Long before Hitler managed to figure out a way to kill off Jews in large enough numbers, he first practised his techniques on smaller minorities. Gays and lesbians, the mentally disabled, the physically disabled, Romanian gypsies, all the small minorities that everyone treated as trash anyway and nobody would miss.

Wrong again. Hitler didnt get his "practice" on the gays/mental/gypsies...what he did is he used them as scapegoats for the economy being as bad as it was. He gave the people an object to get their anger and frustration out on. Jews where targeted like the rest from the begning,infact most of the other groups where cast down much later...as they where seen as being unfit for Hitlers version of the SUPREME RACE.


Again, I speak English, French and German. How the heck am I supposed to agree or disagree with what you just wrote there when I haven't the faintest idea what you're trying to say.

Please try rewriting that in either English, French, or German, and we'll have another go at it.

Pull your head down a bit, trying to take the superior nose in the air route to spelling errors, or improper grammer on the net makes you seem like the larger fool


Because that was another Constitutional rights violation that people at the time simply accepted as normal. Much like the one in the initial post in this thread.

Absent probable cause, and absent consent, the Homeland Security officers have no right to search your car for drugs at an immigration checkpoint. Refusal to give consent is not grounds for probable cause. Even if you are a disrespectful dick.

I will agree with you on that case, they had no right to search the mans car


Oh, look whose using bold and underline now! It's fun, isn't it?

What difference does it make how old I am? If I say I'm only 13, you'll tell me to grow up and respect my elders. If I tell you I'm 85, you'll call me a senile old fart no longer capable of clear thinking.

Either way, 13 or 85, I'm entitled to my opinions. You're welcome to ignore them if you wish.

Age should never be attacked, ignorance should always be attacked.

Its hard to ignore someone no matter the age, that is incorrect, and attacks others with little to no facts and a huge amount of ignorance to what he claims to know a great deal about.