A True American!

[gwb72tii]

but rights being compromised by o-man are for our own good

[joshh]

That is the point. He does have to stop at the border to show credentials, that is a great way to protect us Americans.

Now say I set up a road block at main street and 5th, stop you, and ask you to prove you're a citizen, or you can't get to work. This is exactly the problem with this road block.

That's called a double standard.
One cop can ask and that's just fine and not unconstitutional but HOLY HELL if any other cops ask me if I don't feel they are asking for a "good reason".

[joshh]

but rights being compromised by o-man are for our own good

You're heading for the slippery slope. What do you consider "rights"?

[Schniddy]

The right to own a house
The right to own a car
The right to a four day week
et.. al

:p

[e30fiend]

That's called a double standard.
One cop can ask and that's just fine and not unconstitutional but HOLY HELL if any other cops ask me if I don't feel they are asking for a "good reason".

If a police officer asks for your ID you are required to provide it. But it's my understanding that the border patrol operates under a different set of rules. The video posted flashes some text of the law and it says something to the effect that a person can only be detained if there is reason to suspect he is an illegal alien.

Even more, the uselessness of the roadblocks is illustrated by the fact that they keep saying "Just say you're a US citizen and we'll let you go". Right, like illegal aliens wouldn't just lie. Or make a ruckus like that until they let you go.

It's poor logic but you could say that because they just let the guy go and didn't arrest him, they never had the right to detain him in the first place. In any case the process is clearly flawed.

[Schniddy]

^your post is full of poor logic.
I'm not going to bother pointing it out, figure it out.

[jtb_29]

If a police officer asks for your ID you are required to provide it. But it's my understanding that the border patrol operates under a different set of rules. The video posted flashes some text of the law and it says something to the effect that a person can only be detained if there is reason to suspect he is an illegal alien.

Even more, the uselessness of the roadblocks is illustrated by the fact that they keep saying "Just say you're a US citizen and we'll let you go". Right, like illegal aliens wouldn't just lie. Or make a ruckus like that until they let you go.

It's poor logic but you could say that because they just let the guy go and didn't arrest him, they never had the right to detain him in the first place. In any case the process is clearly flawed.

I agree that the idea of this is a slippery slope and unconstitutional but if you're going to argue these points at least do the research. Using a youtube video as your only reference isn't the best idea. Let alone who made the video.

[bergie_318is]

i agree with blunt, they are just doing their job, trying to "protect" america. why bother being stupid and trying to impeed their job? what a moron this guys is seriously, the police/guards what ever have a job to do, why not let them do it!

one of the most useless youtube videos i have ever seen

[mikegar]

it's not 5th and main street, they are on a highway near the boarder.

Again, what the hell is with the backwardness?

Your pissing your pants because they are doing something that's not a big deal at all. Who gives a rats ass. Obama nor McCain debated over the situation during the election. The system is currently fucked, and no one wants to do anything about it. I say make it a little easier for them to come over, this is a free country.

If this was during the Clinton administration nothing would be wrong. You would be arguing MY point. Since it is under Bush, your going the other way, or at least it is how your perception has taking you.

What I find funny is under Obama, we're going to have more rights changed and taking away than probably with any other president in history (public over private).

Backwards a bit??

so obama= bigger gvt. less civil rights?
then mccain= smaller gvt. mre civil rights

then couldnt it be said that the peple who supported mccain are also backwards because they say just comply with the boarder patrol?

[scabzzzz]

ive never seen such a thread failure before.

[uofom3]

Are you a US citizen? yes
What are you doing? Going to work/vacation/on a drive
Do you have proof of ID and Insurance on your vehicle? Yes
Clean criminal background? Yes
Have a nice day.

I've been through border crossings... this is the the routine that I dealt with. Answer yes sir, no sir, and you're on your way. I had friends who got grilled heading back from Canada - they get detained and had their car searched as a "random search". They had nothing in the car that was illegal, all paperwork in order, etc. They said that though the guys were serious about their job, at the end of the day they were thankful because if they got grilled like that imagine what someone shady goes through.

I really don't see what the problem is here. If you're not breaking the laws then you don't have anything to worry about. Furthermore, if you're traveling 40 miles from the border with Mexico where a large amount of bad shit takes places, you should expect some shit like this.

This kind of thing DOES happen on main street in some places. Think about DUI road blocks, traffic stings, stopping cars with out of state plates at a check point, etc. These things aren't there to stop you from living your life, it's there to maintain some resemblance of order in society.

The more laws that are in place are not designed to create more restriction on your civil liberty as a citizen, they are to stop shit that isn't supposed to happen. Gun laws wouldn't have to exist if people didn't shoot each other. DUI laws wouldn't exist if people didn't drive drunk. There would be a border patrol if people/drugs/guns/etc. didn't enter the country illegally through our borders. They don't just make laws for shits and giggles... they exist for reasons. If you don't drive drunk, live here illegally, get involved in the drug trade, or have any desire to hurt other people physically you should be just fine.

[blunttech]

Are you a US citizen? yes
What are you doing? Going to work/vacation/on a drive
Do you have proof of ID and Insurance on your vehicle? Yes
Clean criminal background? Yes
Have a nice day.

I've been through border crossings... this is the the routine that I dealt with. Answer yes sir, no sir, and you're on your way. I had friends who got grilled heading back from Canada - they get detained and had their car searched as a "random search". They had nothing in the car that was illegal, all paperwork in order, etc. They said that though the guys were serious about their job, at the end of the day they were thankful because if they got grilled like that imagine what someone shady goes through.

I really don't see what the problem is here. If you're not breaking the laws then you don't have anything to worry about. Furthermore, if you're traveling 40 miles from the border with Mexico where a large amount of bad shit takes places, you should expect some shit like this.

This kind of thing DOES happen on main street in some places. Think about DUI road blocks, traffic stings, stopping cars with out of state plates at a check point, etc. These things aren't there to stop you from living your life, it's there to maintain some resemblance of order in society.

The more laws that are in place are not designed to create more restriction on your civil liberty as a citizen, they are to stop shit that isn't supposed to happen. Gun laws wouldn't have to exist if people didn't shoot each other. DUI laws wouldn't exist if people didn't drive drunk. There would be a border patrol if people/drugs/guns/etc. didn't enter the country illegally through our borders. They don't just make laws for shits and giggles... they exist for reasons. If you don't drive drunk, live here illegally, get involved in the drug trade, or have any desire to hurt other people physically you should be just fine.

while this is a well written thought out post i am sorry to tell you that "common sense" is lost on these fuckers. thanks anyway

[gwb72tii]

while this is a well written thought out post i am sorry to tell you that "common sense" is lost on these fuckers. thanks anyway

the ignorance of youth

[Ral]

The constitution prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, as well as self-incrimination. (Amendment IV and Miranda v. Arizona) respectively. checkpoints are constitutional, as Article IV, section 4 points out: "[...] and shall protect each of them from invasion". You might not agree with this, but the courts would uphold the existence of roadblocks as being necessary to secure our borders. Also, did you ever think that perhaps this road is known to be used by illegal traffickers? 40 miles is not really that far from the border. He is not questioned in a quest for evidence, nor is he accused of any wrongdoing. It's not any different than a police officer asking if you've been drinking when he pulls you over.

Also, he is not initially being detained. the agent is trying to determine if he is a United States citizen. When he refuses to comply, he is then outside the law and is detained until his citizenship can be established. Technically, he could be arrested for obstruction of Justice, so I think he got off easily. One of the Reserve instructor pilots here in Corpus is a Border Patrol helicopter pilot in Laredo, TX who takes fire while flying in support of the Border Patrol. What point is this guy trying to prove again?

And, before you complain about something being unconstitutional, read the constitution. If you're gonna argue something, at least know what you're arguing about.

[Miasma]

^ Good post.