A True American!

[delatlanta1281]

interesting.

[Schneider325]

liberals vs Liberals (Modern Liberalism)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c

[delatlanta1281]

Link no work.
I am freaking livid. It pisses me off the ungratefulness and lack of thought that some people display.
I was talking to a kid the other day who is going into the Core when he graduates. He said something to the affect of "i am glad I am enlisting, I just wish i wasn't protecting the nay-sayers."
I told him the nay-sayers are just as important as the supporters. Wrong or right, you protect them all. Even if you don't agree with their views, you serve them.
This is something my father told me. it's the reason I wear an original POW bracelet.
Too bad the nay-sayers don't feel the same way.

[Mtriple]

The constitution prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, as well as self-incrimination. (Amendment IV and Miranda v. Arizona) respectively. checkpoints are constitutional, as Article IV, section 4 points out: "[...] and shall protect each of them from invasion". You might not agree with this, but the courts would uphold the existence of roadblocks as being necessary to secure our borders. Also, did you ever think that perhaps this road is known to be used by illegal traffickers? 40 miles is not really that far from the border. He is not questioned in a quest for evidence, nor is he accused of any wrongdoing. It's not any different than a police officer asking if you've been drinking when he pulls you over.

Also, he is not initially being detained. the agent is trying to determine if he is a United States citizen. When he refuses to comply, he is then outside the law and is detained until his citizenship can be established. Technically, he could be arrested for obstruction of Justice, so I think he got off easily. One of the Reserve instructor pilots here in Corpus is a Border Patrol helicopter pilot in Laredo, TX who takes fire while flying in support of the Border Patrol. What point is this guy trying to prove again?

And, before you complain about something being unconstitutional, read the constitution. If you're gonna argue something, at least know what you're arguing about.

amen.

[Schneider325]

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[delatlanta1281]

Another retard!

It's his RIGHT to reject questioning from these hacks, and it's certainly something more people should practice.

So these guys and girls are hacks... nice.

Border patrol has to be one of the EASIEST jobs in America, most are obviously failures at life and winners at McDonalds. I'd never work there because I know I'd be wasting tax payers money and time. Get a job as a local police officer where you can actually make a difference.

Watch it pal. You have absolutly NO clue what you are talking about.
If you want to test immigration patrols, go into Mexico and deal with Fedarales. Or fly into Paris and have a look see around Charles Degaul. Or maybe head into eastern europe and see how you fair there. Say no to any of these patrols and be prepared to have a boot on your neck whilst laying face down on the pavement. Oh wait, you won't do that. You will hide here and whine and test OUR system b/c you know you can get away with it.
You make me sick.

[delatlanta1281]

I have two good friends that are immagration officers. One is here in atlanta and one is in New Mexico. You cannot begin to imagine how much they love the country the hail from and their fellow citizens. They clock in every morning and risk their lives (if you are not border patrol you cannot understand the full scope of the job) to ensure that nothing happens to all of us. I take serious offense to the things some of you are saying. When you go to work, does it directly affect the "company"? If your superiors ask you to do something for the good of the company, do you do it? If the govt. deems it legal and you are told it is, you do. That is exactly what these men and women are doing. If you have a problem, write your local government. Don't badger the people who make absolutley NONE of the decisions. This is why we have elected officials.

[Collin]

That's called a double standard.
One cop can ask and that's just fine and not unconstitutional but HOLY HELL if any other cops ask me if I don't feel they are asking for a "good reason".

It's not a double standard because it is not applied to the same type of law enforcement,

It's the law and it's being violated by our government, why does that not sink in for you?

This was not at the border, this was on a public road.

[Miasma]

^ Good post.

[Ral]

The constitution prohibits unreasonable search and seizure, as well as self-incrimination. (Amendment IV and Miranda v. Arizona) respectively. checkpoints are constitutional, as Article IV, section 4 points out: "[...] and shall protect each of them from invasion". You might not agree with this, but the courts would uphold the existence of roadblocks as being necessary to secure our borders. Also, did you ever think that perhaps this road is known to be used by illegal traffickers? 40 miles is not really that far from the border. He is not questioned in a quest for evidence, nor is he accused of any wrongdoing. It's not any different than a police officer asking if you've been drinking when he pulls you over.

Also, he is not initially being detained. the agent is trying to determine if he is a United States citizen. When he refuses to comply, he is then outside the law and is detained until his citizenship can be established. Technically, he could be arrested for obstruction of Justice, so I think he got off easily. One of the Reserve instructor pilots here in Corpus is a Border Patrol helicopter pilot in Laredo, TX who takes fire while flying in support of the Border Patrol. What point is this guy trying to prove again?

And, before you complain about something being unconstitutional, read the constitution. If you're gonna argue something, at least know what you're arguing about.

[gwb72tii]

while this is a well written thought out post i am sorry to tell you that "common sense" is lost on these fuckers. thanks anyway

the ignorance of youth

[blunttech]

Are you a US citizen? yes
What are you doing? Going to work/vacation/on a drive
Do you have proof of ID and Insurance on your vehicle? Yes
Clean criminal background? Yes
Have a nice day.

I've been through border crossings... this is the the routine that I dealt with. Answer yes sir, no sir, and you're on your way. I had friends who got grilled heading back from Canada - they get detained and had their car searched as a "random search". They had nothing in the car that was illegal, all paperwork in order, etc. They said that though the guys were serious about their job, at the end of the day they were thankful because if they got grilled like that imagine what someone shady goes through.

I really don't see what the problem is here. If you're not breaking the laws then you don't have anything to worry about. Furthermore, if you're traveling 40 miles from the border with Mexico where a large amount of bad shit takes places, you should expect some shit like this.

This kind of thing DOES happen on main street in some places. Think about DUI road blocks, traffic stings, stopping cars with out of state plates at a check point, etc. These things aren't there to stop you from living your life, it's there to maintain some resemblance of order in society.

The more laws that are in place are not designed to create more restriction on your civil liberty as a citizen, they are to stop shit that isn't supposed to happen. Gun laws wouldn't have to exist if people didn't shoot each other. DUI laws wouldn't exist if people didn't drive drunk. There would be a border patrol if people/drugs/guns/etc. didn't enter the country illegally through our borders. They don't just make laws for shits and giggles... they exist for reasons. If you don't drive drunk, live here illegally, get involved in the drug trade, or have any desire to hurt other people physically you should be just fine.

while this is a well written thought out post i am sorry to tell you that "common sense" is lost on these fuckers. thanks anyway

[uofom3]

Are you a US citizen? yes
What are you doing? Going to work/vacation/on a drive
Do you have proof of ID and Insurance on your vehicle? Yes
Clean criminal background? Yes
Have a nice day.

I've been through border crossings... this is the the routine that I dealt with. Answer yes sir, no sir, and you're on your way. I had friends who got grilled heading back from Canada - they get detained and had their car searched as a "random search". They had nothing in the car that was illegal, all paperwork in order, etc. They said that though the guys were serious about their job, at the end of the day they were thankful because if they got grilled like that imagine what someone shady goes through.

I really don't see what the problem is here. If you're not breaking the laws then you don't have anything to worry about. Furthermore, if you're traveling 40 miles from the border with Mexico where a large amount of bad shit takes places, you should expect some shit like this.

This kind of thing DOES happen on main street in some places. Think about DUI road blocks, traffic stings, stopping cars with out of state plates at a check point, etc. These things aren't there to stop you from living your life, it's there to maintain some resemblance of order in society.

The more laws that are in place are not designed to create more restriction on your civil liberty as a citizen, they are to stop shit that isn't supposed to happen. Gun laws wouldn't have to exist if people didn't shoot each other. DUI laws wouldn't exist if people didn't drive drunk. There would be a border patrol if people/drugs/guns/etc. didn't enter the country illegally through our borders. They don't just make laws for shits and giggles... they exist for reasons. If you don't drive drunk, live here illegally, get involved in the drug trade, or have any desire to hurt other people physically you should be just fine.

[scabzzzz]

ive never seen such a thread failure before.

[mikegar]

it's not 5th and main street, they are on a highway near the boarder.

Again, what the hell is with the backwardness?

Your pissing your pants because they are doing something that's not a big deal at all. Who gives a rats ass. Obama nor McCain debated over the situation during the election. The system is currently fucked, and no one wants to do anything about it. I say make it a little easier for them to come over, this is a free country.

If this was during the Clinton administration nothing would be wrong. You would be arguing MY point. Since it is under Bush, your going the other way, or at least it is how your perception has taking you.

What I find funny is under Obama, we're going to have more rights changed and taking away than probably with any other president in history (public over private).

Backwards a bit??

so obama= bigger gvt. less civil rights?
then mccain= smaller gvt. mre civil rights

then couldnt it be said that the peple who supported mccain are also backwards because they say just comply with the boarder patrol?