9mm + Spoon =

[joshh]

That doesn't even make sense. The 9mm round has a higher velocity.

[tecks2k]

I will admit I have no mathematical proof, but I have shot for many years. And in my experience the 9mm has a serious drop, much faster then any .40 or .45 that i've ever shot.

[E30Idea]

I will admit I have no mathematical proof, but I have shot for many years. And in my experience the 9mm has a serious drop, much faster then any .40 or .45 that i've ever shot.

It has to do with the grain of the bullet. Here is a good reference to look @ different bullets and how they fall.

http://www.speer-ammo.com/ballistics/ammo.aspx

[Vedubin01]

I will admit I have no mathematical proof, but I have shot for many years. And in my experience the 9mm has a serious drop, much faster then any .40 or .45 that i've ever shot.

Here is the math to your answer! 9mm 124 grain nato drop at 100 yards -1.7 inches .40 S&W 180 grain drop at 100 yards - 4.2 inches .45 Auto (ACP) 230 grain drop at 100 yards - 6.9 inches meaning 9mm at 100 yards is more strait line than the 2 you suggested. And pistol rounds are not meant to be fired past 50 yards anyway. for my cut and paste http://www.chuckhawks.com/handgun_trajectory_table.htm Free my access Mods!

[Joey Link]

Thanks for the math Vedubin, I was about to comment if nobody else did. The drop of the .40 and .45 is far more significant than that of the 9mm. Still, I am a .45 fanboy :D

[E30 Cabrio]

I prefer a 9mm over a .40 or .45 for several reasons:

Less costly to practice with due to the cost of ammo, thus I can become far more proficient and accurate with the 9mm round for far less money.

I can shoot cheap Wolf or S&B rounds thru my Beretta 92 all day long without a hiccup for a few bucks.

.45 ammo, even the less expensive brands are still much more costly and thus limit practice to those who don't have a large monthly ammo budget.

Even if you reload, most ranges won't let you collect your own brass for several reasons, but mainly so they can sell more ammunition.

A .40 and/or .45 has slightly more stopping power, but is useless if you don't or can't hit your target.

A .40 and especially a .45 takes far more practice to become proficient with, and most people won't spend the time/money to do so.

Also, even though I live in California, I have pre-ban mags so I have the luxury of having 15 rounds + 1 which is helpful if faced with multiple adversaries.

At night, when conditions are less then ideal, those first few rounds go quickly and you are left slightly deaf and perhaps a bit night-blinded by muzzle flash, making those extra rounds more valuable as your senses are compromised, especially if you've just been woken from a sound sleep and then have to immediately engage one or more adversaries.

Like I said, you can squeeze off 5 or 6 rounds in a couple of seconds and be left slightly deaf and blind and still not have hit your intended target.

I would rather have 10 rounds of 9mm remaining then 3 or 4 rounds of .45 remaining under those conditions, especially if there is more then one other person still involved in the confrontation.

A well placed double-tap of 9mm will ruin just about anyone's day. All this talk about "stopping power" is nothing but macho, pissing-contest talk.

A single, well-placed shot from a .22 can stop the biggest, meanest, drugged-out psycho in his tracks.

I'll take a well-built 9mm like a Beretta 92, with 15 Hydra-shoks or Cor-Bons plus one in the pipe.

Also, if you look at stopping power, there isn't much difference between a good 9mm round and a good .45 round.

It's all about accuracy and how proficient you are with your firearm under stressful conditions.

Then there are other things to consider, such as if you are wounded by an attacker and you have to use your opposite hand to shoot, or if your wife/girlfriend needs to use the firearm in your absence.

At times, I tend to fall asleep with my right arm bent in a way that makes it "fall asleep" or go numb and it is useless to me for at least 30 seconds or so upon awakening.

Being right-handed, this can be problematic if I have to pick up a firearm and use it, and even more so if that firearm is a hand cannon.

One should practice shooting with both left and right hands dominant, but with 9mm ammo, you can practice more and practice things like firing with your opposite hand, etc...

It's one thing to hit a paper silhouette at 7 yards under ideal conditions, in a well-lighted environment with hearing protection.

Doing so in more difficult and stressful conditions is entirely different.

I'll take accuracy and extra capacity over stopping power when it comes to a personal defense pistol or revolver.

[Wiglaf]

sometimes you guys creep me out.

[Tree18is]

sometimes you guys creep me out.

LOL. I just wanna say guns are cool, and one day I hope to learn a Shit ton about them.

probably should work on my times tables first though.

[golde30]

how about a 10mm...hehe

[Vedubin01]

how about a 10mm...hehe

expensive to shoot but thats where its really at!

[golde30]

expensive to shoot but thats where its really at!

my buddy just picked up a Delta Elite that is MINT maybe like 1 mag has gone through it. i cant wait to take it to the range.:p

[tofubento]

Ive never understood people that buy awesome guns, and lots of ammo and never shoot more then like 10round through it. Do they dhonestly think that because they own the gun, that they will be able to shoot hollywood style?

[dashboardmonkey]

how about a 10mm...hehe

Never shot one, but damn it felt good in my hand.

[dashboardmonkey]

I prefer a 9mm over a .40 or .45 for several reasons:

Less costly to practice with due to the cost of ammo, thus I can become far more proficient and accurate with the 9mm round for far less money.

I can shoot cheap Wolf or S&B rounds thru my Beretta 92 all day long without a hiccup for a few bucks.

.45 ammo, even the less expensive brands are still much more costly and thus limit practice to those who don't have a large monthly ammo budget.

Even if you reload, most ranges won't let you collect your own brass for several reasons, but mainly so they can sell more ammunition.

A .40 and/or .45 has slightly more stopping power, but is useless if you don't or can't hit your target.

A .40 and especially a .45 takes far more practice to become proficient with, and most people won't spend the time/money to do so.

Also, even though I live in California, I have pre-ban mags so I have the luxury of having 15 rounds + 1 which is helpful if faced with multiple adversaries.

At night, when conditions are less then ideal, those first few rounds go quickly and you are left slightly deaf and perhaps a bit night-blinded by muzzle flash, making those extra rounds more valuable as your senses are compromised, especially if you've just been woken from a sound sleep and then have to immediately engage one or more adversaries.

Like I said, you can squeeze off 5 or 6 rounds in a couple of seconds and be left slightly deaf and blind and still not have hit your intended target.

I would rather have 10 rounds of 9mm remaining then 3 or 4 rounds of .45 remaining under those conditions, especially if there is more then one other person still involved in the confrontation.

A well placed double-tap of 9mm will ruin just about anyone's day. All this talk about "stopping power" is nothing but macho, pissing-contest talk.

A single, well-placed shot from a .22 can stop the biggest, meanest, drugged-out psycho in his tracks.

I'll take a well-built 9mm like a Beretta 92, with 15 Hydra-shoks or Cor-Bons plus one in the pipe.

Also, if you look at stopping power, there isn't much difference between a good 9mm round and a good .45 round.

It's all about accuracy and how proficient you are with your firearm under stressful conditions.

Then there are other things to consider, such as if you are wounded by an attacker and you have to use your opposite hand to shoot, or if your wife/girlfriend needs to use the firearm in your absence.

At times, I tend to fall asleep with my right arm bent in a way that makes it "fall asleep" or go numb and it is useless to me for at least 30 seconds or so upon awakening.

Being right-handed, this can be problematic if I have to pick up a firearm and use it, and even more so if that firearm is a hand cannon.

One should practice shooting with both left and right hands dominant, but with 9mm ammo, you can practice more and practice things like firing with your opposite hand, etc...

It's one thing to hit a paper silhouette at 7 yards under ideal conditions, in a well-lighted environment with hearing protection.

Doing so in more difficult and stressful conditions is entirely different.

I'll take accuracy and extra capacity over stopping power when it comes to a personal defense pistol or revolver.

I agree with you.

I have shot a few pistols, 9mm, .380, .22, and out of all of them I prefer the 9mm, feels good but not too much.

The state of Oregon will not let me own a gun right now, but that will change in a couple years when I get my right to bears arms back.

Andy

[golde30]

hehe, bears arms... FG FTW